Bill to revise Hughes amendment and other NFA laws

[atblis]

We could always pitch this as requiring the registration of machine guns. I bet we could even trick the antis into supporting it and doing all the leg work for us.

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[gatorjames85]

Everyone saying this person should give up his money just so they can get a full-auto gun cheaper is, well, slightly on the socialist side... don't you think? [/QUOTE

Nothing screams laissez faire to me like the government artificially inflating the price of something by strongly limiting supply.

 

[miner1436]

I hope, that in my lifetime, the Hughes amendment will be repealed. 0.01% chance but still hoping.

 

[pjlaw1]

I would love to see it done. Unless you have some heavy weights backing it (NRA) I dont see much movement. I already contacted my (R) Representative and he chose not to comment on this subject. I think it would be political suicide to introduce this bill. Unless there was a huge movement.

 

[MagnumDweeb]

It's not going to get repealed I believe. Yes the 2nd Amendment crowd is getting its balls back there are still lots of folks who will say that Machine Guns are dangerous to own, especially if owned by the average person. Now yes you can own an MG now if you are prepared to pay bookoo bucks for one and so the anti argument holds no weight, and yes it is relatively easy to make an MG from a parts kit illegally but still logic and reason are useless against those who have none such as the antis.

If it ever happens it'll have to be a challenge to amendment made in the Supreme Court and even then we'd need some more pro-Heller cases saying that the right to own a gun is protected absolutely for the individual and that the government has no right to regulate such property but then you go back to the Commerce Clause and the argument that it empowers the government to regulate those goods which could be a part of the national system of commerce.

I hold little optimisim, I'll support those seeking to do away with the Hughes Amendment, but I think we must work to create firearms that are still legally semi-auto but almost full-auto i.e. Gardner Guns, Gatling Guns, etc. so as to frustrate the purpose of the Amendment. Then turn around and lie to the people, much like the Bradys, that the law must be rewritten to protect the american people and register all machine guns(Gardner and Gatling guns are not machine guns lol).

 

[AlexanderA]

This is where Justice Scalia's reasoning in the Heller decision was not particularly helpful. He held that the RKBA was an individual right, not tied to service in the militia in any way (in other words, that the militia clause in the 2nd Amendment was just excess verbiage). Now, if the reasoning in Heller had been that the militia clause applied, but that the militia was defined as traditionally including most of the general population, we'd be on stronger ground when it came to things like machine guns. It would be hard to deny people (the unorganized militia) access to any standard military-issued weapons.

 

[gatorjames85]

I don't think NFA is getting repealed any time soon because the NRA doesn't appear to have any interest in it. The way Washington looks at things, if even the NRA isn't pushing it, they won't touch it. Whether the NRA's approach of picking their battles is the right way to go is up for debate, of course.

 

[AustinGirl]

Been reading up on student gun laws

I was wondering about the rules for carrying or having guns for students. I found a few stories about students getting shot. Pretty scary.

 

[outerlimit]

Most of us have enough "licenses" to renew, I'm not in favor of having more.

I don't think NFA is getting repealed any time soon because the NRA doesn't appear to have any interest in it.

The NRA's main interest over the years seems to be in towing that fine line which produces the largest amount of revenue.

I'd honestly be surprised if the majority of NRA members were interested in overturning a MG ban. How many are just worried about their duck/deer hunting? The majority in my experience.

Remember, the 2nd Amendment is about deer hunting after all..

 

[Ole Humpback]

Remember, the 2nd Amendment is about deer hunting after all..

Bear in mind though, there are SEVERAL hunting rifle cartridges out there that are either ex-military or far superior to anything any military has EVER fielded. But I do understand what the 2A was wrote for and preserving hunting with a gun wasn't its primary objective.

Just read through the whole thread. Great amount of info in it and great food for thought. As for those who say FA firearms & hunting don't mix, thats true but if everyone followed the law there would be no worry about it. All states that I've hunted in state that full auto firearms can't be used to hunt with and that all firearms carry less than a certain number of rounds. However, that didn't stop the guy who shot 7 people with his semi-auto AK/AR style gun while deer hunting a few years back.

This fellow had climbed into a stand that wasn't his, and when the owner of the stand and his hunting buddies came up on the stand and asked him to leave, he fired 17 rounds into the group before one of the group members killed him.

 

[kingcheese]

i think i might have a better compromise
at least allow the production of civilian mgs in 22 lr and allow them to be owned and baught in america

that way i can afford to buy and shoot a automatic

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

I was wondering about the rules for carrying or having guns for students. I found a few stories about students getting shot. Pretty scary.

This is off topic but I'll chime in. The only times I've heard of a student being shot was from someone that was mentally deranged and was definatly breaking the law. No matter how strict the law was, students would still have been shot until he ran out of ammo or the Police finally showed up after many students have been shot.

 

[gun lover 18403]

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allow new machine guns to be manufactured and sold to
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Machine guns have been banned to manufacture since 1986 .This petition
will make it legal to sell new machine guns to civilians . citizens can
already buy a machine gun but it has to be made before 1986 ,and they very
expensive ,often $18,000. the law that made machine gun illegal to
manufacture was unconstitutional because the second amendment says you have
the right to same weapons the military has .

 

[Sambo82]

I would like to see one of the Pauls insert this into a HUGE bill burried on page 295,573 where the registry is just simply re-opened.

Yes yes yes. I've actually written Ron Paul about this, but alas I'm not a Texas resident so I doubt it will even be read. I've also written my own Tea Party Congressman (Rick Crawford) about repealing the Hughes, and just today I got a pre written letter back in the mail reaffirming his support of "American sportsmen to hunt and fish". I'm VERY dissapointed to say the least. Maybe a Kentucky resident could hunt up Rand Paul at a campaign stop and grill him on the question. He seems he's a "no questions asked" type of guy when it comes to Constitutional rights. As another poster said, get him to slip a reopening of the registry into a 200,000 page spending bill...

Also as another poster brought up, it could be spun as a reasonable safety measure if it came to light. Something like; "We need to make sure all these machineguns are properly registered"! You could probably get antis behind it. If there is one thing they don't understand, it's firearms and firearms laws.

One more thought, didn't Heller affirm that firearm ownership is an individual right open to reasonable restrictions? As such couldn't one argue that as NO crimes are committed with lawfully registered machineguns, that closing the registry is completely unreasonable? It's entire purpose, supposedly, was to stop crime that didn't exist. I really believe this could be a winning argument, and I'm suprised someone hasn't used these grounds to challenge it in court. That would be as simple as filling out a Form 1, having it denied, and starting a challenge. If I had the funds I would certainly do it.

It's impossible for a guy like me living from paycheck to paycheck to challenge something like this, but maybe we could convince one of our more affluent posters who may be considering dropping tens of thousands of dollars on an NFA weapon to instead work for all of us to enjoy the right... You could be the hero we all need.