Bin Laden offers truce

[carlrodd]

If the Muslim religion does not pitch in and help, this may very well turn into a religous war. Bin Laden's head on a stick will not be the end, probably not even the begining of the end, but damn it sure would be satisfying wouldn't it?

this already IS a religious war. and it doesn't help that everybody in power everywhere refuses to acknowledge it...except for the muslims of course. why is it ok anywhere else to say, "we hate america...it is a christian nation and they are infidels", but if we were to say, "you know what, you're right...for all intents and purposes this is still in many ways a 'christian' nation, and since you have declared yourselves our enemy, we will wipe you from the face of the earth in the name of god.", we of course would be vilified both at home and internationally. but at the end of the day, we are still fighting a holy war, because the muslim world will always see us as a religious enemy.....and not just the extreme elements of the muslim world.

by and large, the muslim world is a contentious place. we will never have peace with them, if we invade we will never pacify the people, and we can always expect them to do whatever is in their power to thwart whatever our initiatives are, good or bad. let's get off the petroleum kick and take away their only source of leverage. let em start roaming the deserts again.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

As someone who is somewhere between agnostic and atheist (probably closer to atheist), does that mean that the Islamic world is at war with the rest of you but not me?

 

[Sindawe]

As someone who is somewhere between agnostic and atheist (probably closer to atheist), does that mean that the Islamic world is at war with the rest of you but not me?

Nope, you're in there as well LB. As far as I understand it, Christians and Jews given a bit of dispensation since they are "People of the Book". You agnostics/atheists are down here with us Pagans.

Back on topic: Well, if the pattern follows the form others have noted, we should have our answer about an attack w/in 30 days.

 

[swampsniper]

As someone who is somewhere between agnostic and atheist (probably closer to atheist), does that mean that the Islamic world is at war with the rest of you but not me?

Hey, you are so far down on their poop list, you are below pigs and dogs!
No hope for you!

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

Truce

I say we agree to a truce.

He can come here to sign it, and either his brains land on the paper or his signature.

Ooops, option two is no longer available...

Virgins for you, you POS (and they all look like Yassir Arafat, and they bring along your mother in laws).

 

[carlrodd]

As someone who is somewhere between agnostic and atheist (probably closer to atheist), does that mean that the Islamic world is at war with the rest of you but not me?

blah, blah, blah. this topic has already been discussed more than a million times. nobody called you a christian. if you aren't willing to admit, whether you like it or agree with it, that our many of our nation's mindsets, laws, traditions etc are fused with some of the foundations of traditional christian thinking, than you are being naive..plainly. it's simply a matter of fact, and is evidenced by muslim nations seeing us precisely as i have just explained. furthermore, this is exactly the sort of attitude that keeps us from addressing the situation realistically.

whether you are personally a 'christian' or not is of no consequence. you are a citizen in a country that muslims see as christian. as do israelis incidentally. do the math.

 

[jlbraun]

He showed up on video right before the election, with the same deal, remember?

IIRC, it was vote for Kerry, and I won't hurt you.

Human garbage, with whom we will make no deals.

YDRC (You don't remember correctly). In fact, Bin Ladin mentioned Kerry only once. The rest of his diatribe revolved around how easy it was to bait and enrage the Bush administration. Secondly, there was no "vote for X" message at all, and he said that it didn't matter who won the election, and that he didn't care.

Here is the transcript.

Please don't use the words of this madman to create intention and desire where none exist.

 

[Mad Chemist]

The massive outrage that immediatley followed 9/11. If he were to organize another large scale attack on American soil, he would accomplish little more than putting fence sitters firmly in the hawk camp while making fence sitters of the doves.
Maybe he also forgot the fact that we have a president that for the faults he has, is not afraid to ream some third world country a new a$$ hole for conspiring with terrorists and a VP who wants nothing more than to turn the middle east into a sheet of glass.
Maybe he also forgot that even the lib media reported that after 9/11 firearm sales went up at a phenomenal rate. "Flyover Country" is one step closer to getting ready to skull fornicate someone. Grandmas who will run into a ditch to avoid an animal are blasting Bin Laden on computer screens instead of playing solitair.
Maybe he forgot the reason Japan was afraid to take the war to American soil. Does "rifle behind every blade of grass" ring a bell? Maybe he forgot that we are not the only country that has a price on his head and every time he pulls a stunt he loses more allies. I think his turban is wrapped a little too tight to allow for clear thinking on his part.

I don't think OBL forgot any of this. In fact, he's counting on it. It's a war of attrition being waged, as long Iraq remains unstable Al Qaeda becomes stronger. The only disadvantage for Bin Laden if the possibility that Zarquari has usurped much of his control.

JH

 

[JJpdxpinkpistols]

blah, blah, blah. this topic has already been discussed more than a million times. nobody called you a christian.

Well, thats a dang good thing, for the sake of accuracy.

if you aren't willing to admit, whether you like it or agree with it, that our many of our nation's mindsets, laws, traditions etc are fused with some of the foundations of traditional christian thinking,

I would hope that a quick look at the Yule Tree might show...oh...nevermind. Yes, of course, this country has some laws, traditions, etc that share a foundation in christian thinking. Actually, not so "traditional", but whatever.

it's simply a matter of fact, and is evidenced by muslim nations seeing us precisely as i have just explained.

Not quite. Koran 5:82

[5:82] You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers. And you will find that the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say, "We are Christian." This is because they have priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant.

I believe this is a translation by Adberry.

I wanna make something absolutely clear: if you search for "Koran 5:82" you will find a good dozen or so translations of the same comment, each slightly clear. Mistranslation of the word "kafir" is often blamed by one side or the other.

And the point????? If you get a shoddy translation, and then base your entire outlook on same, then you can draw wrong conclusions.

PS: I am not Muslim, nor am I Islamist, nor am I a Arabic, nor do I speak Arabic. I am, however, a student of mis-translations -- my mom was a linguist with a background in a priori and cognative structure and philosophy.

 

[rick_reno]

The only disadvantage for Bin Laden if the possibility that Zarquari has usurped much of his control.

Reports are that Zarquari is taking the bulk of Arab money going to finance their efforts. The money goes where the action is, and with Zarquari fighting the infidels on a daily basis it's what the rich Arab's want to fund. It's possible the recent Bin Laden tape is nothing more than a fund raising effort - it's also possible it's a tool designed to get the Patriot Act passed. It's doubtful we'll ever know.

 

[CAnnoneer]

OBL? Somebody smoke that dirtbag already! Gaaargh

Look back into history. OBL was a biped without a country, with a bunch of people wanting him dead. He went to the Tabilan for protection!!! How are we supposed to believe now that this fugitive is eluding capture now with 25 million on his head?? It is obvious a government is protecting him. The only thing to determine is which one it is. What we are meant to believe by the media is beyond insulting to one's intelligence.

 

[JMusic]

Someone mentioned Carter as the start of this mess, it actually started prior to that. We can blame Yasssar Arafat for the modern terrorist. He recognized that it took generation building to have the dedication that now lurks in the likes of suicide bombers. Much as Hitler destroyed his youth, Araffat took grade school kids in the 60's and started teaching hate against westeners. The PLO was an anemic form of what has now turned into a vipers nest. This will be a war of enilation of generations. You watch and see.
Jim

 

[FNFiveSeven]

Enough already!

It is obvious a government is protecting him.

Folks, it's obvious Bin Laden is dead. He's been dead for a long time. Anyone who doesn't believe this needs to pull their head out of the sand and do a little independent thinking.

Let's see... we've got the world's most wanted man, who started suffering from a serious kidney disease at least 5 YEARS ago. And for some inexplicable reason, despite his great wealth, the ONLY form of communication we've seen since Sept 11 has been a series of audio-only tape recordings?! Am I supposed to believe OBL and his terrorist network can't afford a camcorder? C'mon guys! :banghead:

The question here isn't whether OBL made the tape, but who did, and why. It is in the best interest of both the Muslim fundamentalists and the Bush administration to keep the public believing that OBL is alive and well. I wouldn't be surprised to learn this administration has been mailing tapes off to Al Jazeera every time Bush's poll numbers drop. I can see it already...

"Let's see, we need to drum up more support for the Patriot Act, and Bush's poll numbers are down 5 points... which tape do we send... hmmm... ah yes, tape 47, that'll do the trick. Good thing the American people are such a bunch of gullible pushovers... they'll believe anything! Bwa Ha ha ha..."

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Blackrazor, my response to your post indicates just how far down the Bush administration has dragged our country. Three years ago I would have written off your post as some whacked-out theory from a tinfoil-hat wearing white supremicist in a compound in Idaho or somewhere. A year ago I would have still been skeptical. Today it makes perfect sense to me, and I feel guilty about having been so close-minded three years ago.

 

[Biker]

I'm afraid that I'm a member of that club too. Let's see, a week after disasterous mistake in Pakistan, a new Bin Laden tape comes out. Has anyone seen poll numbers since Bin Laden's newest release?
I don't know for sure if it's just paranoia on my part, but in all seriousness, he always seems to make an appearance at opportune times for this Administration.
Biker

 

[Waitone]

I don't know for sure if it's just paranoia on my part, but in all seriousness, he always seems to make an appearance at opportune times for this Administration.

Let us join Sherman and Mr. Peabody in Mr. Peabody's WayBack Machine and return to the mid 80's for a quick trip to Nicaragua and the Gong Show hosted by Daniel Ortega. Ortega was a stooge working hand in hand with a particular American political party of same some note. He was a marxist and he hated everything Yanque. He proved to be a quite useful idiot for this one particular party. The Yanque Party went out of its way to use Ortega against the incumbent US president up to and including writing incomprehensible legislation trying to regulate affairs of state between 2 sovereign nations. We had US senators and rep make pilgrimages south just to bask in the glow of Mr. Ortega. Anything Mr. Ortega wanted was what he got. Why, because he was a publicity tool which was used against the incumbent US president. Big Media just plain ol' slobbered every time Ortega showed up in the news because of some official action or comment by the unnamed US political party.

Trouble is every time the unnamed party scored points against the incumbent president using Ortega, Ortega would pull some completely stupid, boneheaded, and unnecessary maneuver which would make him look like an idiot and the unnamed US political party look like jackasses. It was funny to see how this guy would undercut his benefactors at every turn.

Was the guy an idiot? Yep, an idiot with lots of guns and plenty of air time in the US. Was it convenient that every time the unnamed US political party scored a point Ortega would pull a boner and nullify any PR advantage? Yep, even looked at times like Ortega was working for the incumbent president.

Why the story? To reinforce my point made on other threads; no need for conspiracy to explain something easily explained to stupidity, greed and/or arrogance. OBL is an Arab. He looks at the world in general and the US in particular as an unhappy Arab. He is going to do things according to his radical, sick, demented ideology. If he was smart and really wanted to get to us, he would simply disappear and retire to some beach somewhere and wait for us to tear ourselves apart.

 

[Biker]

The Sherman and Mr Peabody reference just earned you a beer which I will drink in your absence but in your honor.
edit: Doesn't mean I necessarily agree with you, but you got cool points for that one.
Biker

 

[JMusic]

Biker I didn't even read his statement and I'm drinking a beer to it. Hell here's to drinking a beer for drinking a beer!!!
Jim

 

[Biker]

Well now, I guess that means that I'll just have to toast you too!
Biker

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

The only notable thing I see in the Bush administration is their incompetence is outweighed only by their arrogance. The one thing they've done right are the Supreme Court appointments - they've really shined in this important area.

Five free points to whoever first identifies what's ironic about this statement.

 

[Waitone]

Me, me, me <waving hand>

Bush nominated Alito only after being bitch-slapped after nominating a cronie name Harriette Meiers.

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

Me, me, me <waving hand>

Bush nominated Alioto only after being bitch-slapped after nominating a cronie name Harriette Meiers.

Sorry, that's not the correct answer.

 

[Waitone]

 

[JMusic]

Bush couldn't buy a judge nomination until the Senate put their foot down and threatened to outlaw filabusters.

 

[Art Eatman]

This thread is like an old ET song, "Driftwood on the River".

, Art