Bipod question.

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I need a 27" bipod for sitting and torn between Caldwell and Harris. There's a lot of price differences in the 2. I seen something saying if I get a Harris with notched legs I don't need to spend the extra $ on the pivot model cause I can just adjust the legs. Does this make sense to you guys cause it doesn't me. I can't see how it would still be perfectly level.

Also with these 2 can the pivot be locked for more precision shooting?
 
The Harris is tried and true. The Caldwell is a copy. I am sure a Caldwell will work just fine for light use, but I doubt if it will match a Harris in the long run. My oldest Harris is 20+ years old and has been on a dedicated varmint gun ever since. It has seen a lot of field use and given no trouble.

I do not like leg notches. The space in between the notch may be just the right spot. I like the regular adjustment type. I can fine tune it.
 
Agreed. Caldwell is OK if used from a bench. If used on the ground or other possibly uneven surface, the Harris is much easier to use.
 
I have the Harris pivot model but never use the pivot feature. Rather I keep the pivot locked and adjust the legs. The Harris is well worth the extra cost.
 
I have the Harris pivot model but never use the pivot feature. Rather I keep the pivot locked and adjust the legs. The Harris is well worth the extra cost.
so even the non notched leg model can be locked at a certain height?
 
I had caldwells on several guns and thought they were fine, until I bought a Harris. Now I am in the process of switching them all. The Harris feels much more stable.
 
Have used both. Harris is better. Atlas is better yet lol.

If you are short on cash and need it now the caldwell will do fine for light duty work. I would not put it on anything serious, or something that you are going to work hard. ie The caldwell would be okay for my plinker, but I would take the harris for an important hunt or if shooting a match.

The non notched can be locked at height, but the notched legs are much nicer to use once you get out and start shooting field stuff. Off the bench where you dont move either will do the job.
 
Have used both. Harris is better. Atlas is better yet lol.

If you are short on cash and need it now the caldwell will do fine for light duty work. I would not put it on anything serious, or something that you are going to work hard. ie The caldwell would be okay for my plinker, but I would take the harris for an important hunt or if shooting a match.

The non notched can be locked at height, but the notched legs are much nicer to use once you get out and start shooting field stuff. Off the bench where you dont move either will do the job.
I would mainly use it for woodchuck hunting in hay pastures and bean fields. would like to do it as cheap as possible but after buying a champion and having it be the most wobbly thing ive ever used id like something more stable and not junk.
 
what do you guys think about pivot vs non pivot on a varmint rifle?
 
I picked up my first Harris in 1998. I then bought a pair of Winchester branded (Chinese) clones within a year after. Other than ONE SCREW, I wouldn't be able to identify the Winchester's from the Harris's. The Harris design is great, but the Harris brand on the bag doesn't bestow magical properties to the pod inside. The 27" Harris (branded, not the clones) has a lot of flex when fully extended, and personally, I believe there are far better options if you're shooting from seated or higher. I'm not sure if I've ever handled a Caldwell version more than once, as I only recall ever having ONE which a customer provided for an AR I was building. I do have Blackhawk knock off's as well, can't say there's really much difference in any of them. I'm sure there are some lighter built knock-off's out there which will flex considerably more than the ones I own and maybe the Caldwell is one of the more "flexible" knock offs - I can't say for sure - but I can't say I can tell the difference in the ones I own. ALL of them flex when extended to 27", it's just too long for such a small diameter leg. Again, there are better options for shooting at that height and taller.

The swivel is worth it, and all of the rhetoric about adjusting the legs to level the rifle, whether with notches or with the non-notched legs is really just an excuse for a poorer system. ALL of the Harris pods can be adjusted for independent leg length, but doing so is PAINFULLY slow, and requires a LOT of movement. The pivoting heads are well worth the added cost. I add the pivot lock knobs on all of mine, but really only to sate my OCD to keep it level when folded, as I typically end up firing with the pivot free (not sloppy loose, mind you). If you're only shooting one direction from one position at one target, and not a living target, then sure, take your time, move around, and level with your leg lengths. But if you're hunting, where you need fast deployment, might need to track a target animal by moving the rifle, and certainly will be exposed to uneven terrain, then the pivot head really shines, where leveling with the legs will falter.

Similarly, while the notched legs can be adjusted more quickly than the friction lock legs, they still only adjust in one inch increments, so you don't get the option to perfectly level the rifle. It's better than nothing, but the infinite adjustment position of the friction lock legs plus the pivot head is really the better system if you're shooting long enough where a leveled rifle actually makes a difference.
 
I picked up my first Harris in 1998. I then bought a pair of Winchester branded (Chinese) clones within a year after. Other than ONE SCREW, I wouldn't be able to identify the Winchester's from the Harris's. The Harris design is great, but the Harris brand on the bag doesn't bestow magical properties to the pod inside. The 27" Harris (branded, not the clones) has a lot of flex when fully extended, and personally, I believe there are far better options if you're shooting from seated or higher. I'm not sure if I've ever handled a Caldwell version more than once, as I only recall ever having ONE which a customer provided for an AR I was building. I do have Blackhawk knock off's as well, can't say there's really much difference in any of them. I'm sure there are some lighter built knock-off's out there which will flex considerably more than the ones I own and maybe the Caldwell is one of the more "flexible" knock offs - I can't say for sure - but I can't say I can tell the difference in the ones I own. ALL of them flex when extended to 27", it's just too long for such a small diameter leg. Again, there are better options for shooting at that height and taller.

The swivel is worth it, and all of the rhetoric about adjusting the legs to level the rifle, whether with notches or with the non-notched legs is really just an excuse for a poorer system. ALL of the Harris pods can be adjusted for independent leg length, but doing so is PAINFULLY slow, and requires a LOT of movement. The pivoting heads are well worth the added cost. I add the pivot lock knobs on all of mine, but really only to sate my OCD to keep it level when folded, as I typically end up firing with the pivot free (not sloppy loose, mind you). If you're only shooting one direction from one position at one target, and not a living target, then sure, take your time, move around, and level with your leg lengths. But if you're hunting, where you need fast deployment, might need to track a target animal by moving the rifle, and certainly will be exposed to uneven terrain, then the pivot head really shines, where leveling with the legs will falter.

Similarly, while the notched legs can be adjusted more quickly than the friction lock legs, they still only adjust in one inch increments, so you don't get the option to perfectly level the rifle. It's better than nothing, but the infinite adjustment position of the friction lock legs plus the pivot head is really the better system if you're shooting long enough where a leveled rifle actually makes a difference.
wobbly enough to not be able to snipe a woodchuck at 200-250yards? I also have primos sitting sticks if i can ever get my buddy to give them back! Ive never shot off them so wondering if they would be better.
 
Connecting on woodchuck's at 250 isn't asking too terribly much from a well suited rifle. A skilled shooter with a precise rifle, who is practiced in managing the 27" bipods WILL be able to deliver impressive accuracy and precision at range, but the shooter will also immediately recognize the shortcomings of the bipod. Sticks will be better, or a fieldpod/tripod/bipod set up. I use Primos Triggr Stiks for most of my shorter range hunting, like the woodchucks at 250 you mention. More often when I'm colony varminting, I'll go prone, or set up a table, where I can either use a front machine rest, or at least a short 6-9" bipod.

It's not that the 27" Harris's are unmanageable, but they are more difficult to manage. Consistency and speed will be your challenges, and you'll miss opportunities because you're spending time trying to get your preload just right to be stable on target but not feel like you're going to fold the legs completely backwards. You'll miss even more shot opportunities if you waste time trying to level the legs, instead of having the foresight to purchase a pivot model.

Sticks might mean you have to carry more afield, but they're well worth that particular hassle. I might not be a huge Primos fan, but the Triggr Stik's are one product I highly endorse from them. They're not as solid as the Bog-Gear tripods and bipods, and there's a small amount of runout wobble in the handle head which you have to manage, but their level of support/stability coupled with their speed of deployment and adjustment sets them a class above the rest of the field. Some days I feel like I have used every monopod, bipod, tripod, field rest etc available on the market, and after running everything else, I don't carry anything afield except the Triggr Stiks.
 
I have shot groundhogs at 200 yards from a seated position with the Harris. In fact that's what I bought the Harris for. Mine is the model that is not notched and I adjust the legs as ColtPytonElite says. There is some flex in the legs when extended to the seated position and it's not a bench rest with the legs extended. Still it's plenty steady for groundhogs at 200 yards.
 
For walking and groundhogging, I often use two 48" wooden dowels from the hardware store. I have a leather shoe lace tied around them tightly. I can adjust the lace up and down for height and open the sticks up into an "X" for a shooting rest. Held together, they make a good walking stick.
 
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