Blows to Israel Must Never Go Unanswered

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Not being at all as knowledgable nor as opiniated on this subject as everyone else in the world I have a totally off topic question. Since there seem to be so many experts gathered about dangling from this tiny thread I thought to ask:

From time to time I see a map of the former Soviet empire and 'way out in Siberia is a place called the Independant Jewish Republic or the Autonomous Jewish Republic or something of that nature. Is this REALLY a Jewish nation or is it just a highfalootin name like "The Commonwealth of Virginia"?
 
Meekandmild said

Not being at all as knowledgable nor as opiniated on this subject...
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Since I AM adequately opinionated on this subject :D I'll take it upon myself to answer your question.
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Meekandmild asked:

From time to time I see a map of the former Soviet empire and 'way out in Siberia is a place called the Independant Jewish Republic or the Autonomous Jewish Republic or something of that nature. Is this REALLY a Jewish nation or is it just a highfalootin name like "The Commonwealth of Virginia"?
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This "independent" and "autonomous" Jewish Republic was Soviet double-speak to cover their continuation of the centuries-old Russian persecution of her Jews.

Another name for this area was Biribijahn (sp?) and was supposed to be an area set aside for the Jews to live in and enjoy untramelled their Jewish idendity and to be able to pass it on to their children (as it says in Torah and in the shema, the prayer repeated thrice daily by Jews who truly know who they are: "...and you shall teach it to your children....") -- sort of a substitute for Israel (then called Palestine).


This was peddled to the world to show the outside Jews and the world how "friendly" the Soviets were to the Jews.


Actually this area was as independent and autonomous as were the other Soviet-dominated and Soviet imprisoned "Republics" and it's independence and autonomy were enforced by Soviet tanks and by the KGB.

As you mentioned, the Soviets set aside an area in Siberia (!), the same frozen wasteland where they sent their other dissidents and political prisoners -- where they had situated the prison-camps of the Gulag.


Very few Jews were interested in Biribijahn, but it did serve as top-notch propaganda for use by left-wing and out-right Communist Jews in the West to point to in their fellow-travelling arguments for the Communist workers paradise. (Why there were and still are such Jews is a long but separate story.)


What was actually occuring in the Soviet Union was a brutal repression of Jews: not allowed to practise or teach their religion, not allowed to print books in -- or even teach -- Yiddish or Hebrew, almost all synagogues shut down, a few show-place synagogues, especially the big one in Moscow headed by a "Rabbi" in the pay of and under control by the KGB. The few Jews who attended were photographed and kept track of by the KGB.

And Stalin was busy purging Jews from their positions in the military, the government, industry, and Jewish writers, poet,s playwrights and artists.


He staged the infamous "doctors plot" where Jewish doctors were accused of planning to assassinate him (if only!) and many Jews were convicted in staged show-trials and executed or sent to Siberia.

And had Stalin not died in '53, he would have been able to carry out his planned exile of Jews to camps in Siberia where they would have been lucky to survive at all.

Jews managed to escape the worst of these perseccutions only by renouncing their Jewishness and living like the gentiles around them. The plan was to snuff out Jewish identity in one or a few generations. But even these Jews had the word "Jew" stamped on their internal passports, just in case.


And of course the Soviets armed the Arabs to the teeth and trained them and coached them in their "holy" Jihad against Israel.



If this :"Republic" was independent and autonomous, then I'm a (Jewish -- and I mean the monkey, too!) monkey's uncle.



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That particular region of the world seemed an awful lot better behaved when the Ottoman Turks were running the show...
I'm with Chris Rhines on this one. I have no particular sympathies for either side and don't really give a hoot who ends up in control of that patch of desert. I just don't want to be compelled to finance the butchery.
 
I just don't want to be compelled to finance the butchery.
There is a simple solution to that. Stop paying taxes, and face whatever comes from it. Otherwise, you might at least acknowledge that you have been paying for "the butchery" from both sides all along.

You did know that Mr. Arrafat didn't make his billions off of his civil engineering skills, didn't you? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Save the ham-fisted sarcasm, Mr. Idaho. You did note that I indicated I have no attachment to either side didn't you? From that, you should have easily been able to conclude that I don't enjoy being compelled to finance either side. Since you, quite clearly, have chosen a side, may I presume you are following your advice and are paying half your taxes?
 
All of life is a choice. One can choose not to pay taxes.

I'm not that class of low rent welfare mongroling American. I let them tax me so I can watch the government mismanage it. Lets get back to the topic at hand shalll we.:rolleyes:
 
matis

Thanks. That explains a lot. Governments, especially totalitarian governments seem to spend a lot of energy on propaganda.
 
The problem is, the "eye for an eye" mentality eventually leaves everyone blind both literally and spiritually. My personal opinion is that Yassar Arafat is a lying twerp and the Palestinians are a bunch of whiners who are basically homeless because they have been run out of every country they ever tried to squat in. That said, any path that actually leads to peace will require Israel to find a way to live with them. And most of all, it will require the US to take a hard line with all parties and cut off all aid to anybody who practices terrorism... either the small scale variety of suicide bombers or the large scale variety of gunships followed by bulldozers followed by new Israeli housing. Death is death, and the families feel the same pain regardless of the side.
 
The conflict would end if the Palestinians and supporting Islamic groups would simply stop the terror along with abandoning their goal of destroying Israel.

The refusal of some of you to see the asymmetry in motives is rather astounding. It is not two groups of equal motives. I firmly believe that those who don't see this are deliberately wearing blinders.

If the terror stopping the West Bank could be an independent state rather quickly. The Israelis radicals would be swamped by the many folks wanting peace. The ball is in the Palestinian court to accept the West Bank as a state, drop the right of return and stop the terror against civilians. Then they get the state.

Why don't some of you understand that? :banghead:
 
Yes. And I'm sure that you know how much credence I gave it.

There is a presumption of honesty on boards such as this. Rather than presume that you are such a churl as to be calling me a liar, I will simply bid you good day, sirrah, and invite you to say such a thing to my face (should we ever meet). We'll see how things shake out then.
 

You neglected to tell us what percentage of your taxes you choose not to pay in order to not finance the Palestinians. Please post that information, otherwise one might be forced to conclude that you are a hypocrite in addition to a mannerless oaf.
 
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