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Captain Awsome;

I've had both the Ruger 77/22 and the CZ452. In my case though, since the CZ is available in left hand configuration, that's the gun of choice. I also now have several lefty CZ's, all of the 452 persuasion since the 455 hasn't come out with the bolt available on the "proper" side of the action - yet.

I found the 77/22 to be fairly picky about what ammo it preferred, but that's normal for any .22 rimfire in my book. The stock trigger was, in a word, lousy. I paid to have an accessory put in which helped a great deal. A word of caution, the 77/22 magazine is different from the 10/22 magazine. The common 10/22 has a rounded bottom & the 77/22 is dead flat. If I remember correctly, the 10/22 works in the 77/22 & the 77/22 "works" in the 10/22 but can be a real adventure at times to get out.

My primary CZ hunting gun is simply outstanding. I have made some witnessed & lazed shot with it that have dropped the jaws of hunting partners. It too is picky about ammo, but who cares, I bought cases of the stuff when I could. The trigger of the CZ's can be hit-or-miss. Never bad & nowhere near as bad as the 77/22, and easily corrected with a YoDave kit. That kit is only about $25.00 & is an easy DIY project. The trigger guard is stamped steel & is the only gripe I had with the looks of the gun. Therefore it got replaced with a DIP unit. The gun will shoot MOA at a hundred yards, five shot groups, if I do my part & the G-D wind don't blow. And that's with hunting ammo, not way pricey dedicated target fodder. And sometimes you win the wood lottery too!

900F
 
I had the Weatherby Mark XXII, and it could not hold a candle to my $399 CZ Trainer in the accuracy department. I liked the Trainer so much I sold the Weatherby and purchased another one:


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Really like my 452 Lux (the old version). Good friend has a Savage Mk something bull barrel he got for $300 and it shoots like a dream, but personally, I'm not a fan of the accutrigger thing. Both are good, try 'em on for size at the big box, then get what fits best. Personally, I own 4 CZ's, and no Savages. Annie looks nice, but is out of my price range.
 
In my experience the only target a heavy barreled 77/22 hits more accurately than a heavy barreled Savage Mark II is the wallet. Same thing in .17HMR. My Savages shoot as well or better than my Rugers.
 
I liked the Trainer so much I sold the Weatherby and purchased another one:

While I have several other bolt guns I read the reviews of the trainers a few years back and got one, I like it so much I also wanted another but ended up with a 16" threaded barrel 452 American... which I also really like...

CZ' .22's are like potato chips- hard to partake of just one... I stll have an itch for a couple doubles and a few new ones :p
 
The Trainer is a pure joy with open sights. The rear tangent is caliberated perfectly for 40 grain high velocity. I use the smallest JP ghost ring on mine. Pretty much if you can see the target and estimate yardage correctly, you can hit it.
 
Someone looking for a 22 bolt gun recommendation has turned into a CZ love fest. What a surprise. ;)

I'll chime in. I only have one CZ and I've only had it for a few months so my impressions are limited when compared to others here.

I bought the 452 Ultra Lux with the bolt on the truly proper side (right handed!). The ergonomics are great, the wood (Beechwood in this case) is adequate and the sights are very nice. For $400, it's really a very nice rifle. The 28.6" barrel allows you to shoot subsonic ammo sans hearing protection.

The stock trigger was OK, but not great. I went to ACE Hardware, bought spring #144. Replaced the stock spring and now the trigger is just south of 2 pounds (adjustable upwards, if desired) and has no creep.

I've got no complaints.

Here are a couple of shots of my 13 year old shooting the UL.

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In the background of the first photo you can see my Marlin Model 60 and Remmy 597 waiting patiently for us to get bored shooting the CZ. :)
 
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Is walnut on the CZ worth the extra money over the beech stocks? The beech ones seem to have decent figure, and are probably lighter.
 
I own a CZ 453, a Anschutz 1416 and had a 77/22 for awhile. The 77/22 is a beautiful thing to look at but the accuracy was far from what you would expect for a rifle in its price range. I sold it. The Anschutz 1416 is fairly decent but is ammo finicky. The CZ 453 does extremely will with most ammo fed to it. It is by far may favorite of the three and was the least expensive.
 
Someone looking for a 22 bolt gun recommendation has turned into a CZ love fest. What a surprise.

Not if you're a fan of wood-and-steel firearms that are accurate and don't drain the bank account. :D

Another vote for a CZ. I have a 452 that handles a wide range of ammunition well. It likes CCI Mini-Mags a lot.

I'm not disparaging the other choices, with which I have limited experience, but I am sold on CZs.
 
Is walnut on the CZ worth the extra money over the beech stocks? The beech ones seem to have decent figure, and are probably lighter.
Not really.....The Trainer and Lux are the same gun with different wood. The Ultra Lux only comes beech. You would think a fancy name would have got it allegedly higher end wood....My UL has nice wood even if it, is beech.
 
I want it to be nice deep blue steel, and a handsome wooden stock

The previously mentioned CZ is right up that alley. Mine's a 452 in 22wmr and it's a fine rifle, with very good woodwork and metal finishing. Another one I like (but don't own) is the Savage Classic. No longer current production, but should still be available.
 
Is walnut on the CZ worth the extra money over the beech stocks? The beech ones seem to have decent figure, and are probably lighter.
I like the looks of Walnut, but Beech can be good in its own way too. Really just a matter of personal preference, of course, when it comes to appearances.

Beech is denser, heavier than Walnut. It makes for a great stock, albeit not as nice looking in most people's opinion. Perhaps it's just the individual guns I've compared, but I (and I assume others) can feel the very slight difference in weight and balance of the CZ 452 Trainer (Beech) vs. Lux (Walnut). Either is a fantastic choice for a quality, accurate .22 rifle. Another consideration is that the 452 Trainer is still in production and easy to find while the 452 Lux is out of production and much harder to find, and may cost you $100 - $200 more if you find a new or near-new one.

I love shooting my 452 Trainer and it would be either the last, or next-to-last to go if I had to get rid of all my long guns. It'd be a tough choice between the Trainer the FS.

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dakOta;

The Euro buttstock places the cheek correctly to use the excellent CZ iron sights. Most folks only find a problem with them when they scope the gun.

900F
 
Are the hog-back combs on the Lux and Trainers comfortable?
They are extremely so for me -- more so than other style stocks when shooting with irons. If you scope them you will need to pay close attention to ring and scope selection so that you can keep the scope low, but if you select the right components, they are just fine with a scope as well (based upon having about 8 hog-back CZ/BRNOs and 6 standard style stocks). If you mount the scope too high, cheek weld may become an issue for some shooters.
 
I was thinking of putting a peep sight at the rear, I heard that the Trainer's dovetail is different from the Lux and regular 452 normal 3/8'' groove.

Any of you tried the Skinner sight CZ peep sight on these rifles? Or any other ones that work well with the factory front sight and stock?
 
Nice looking Trainer, I6turbo.

Regarding the combs, yes, they are very comfortable with the excellent iron sights. Here is a closer look at the comb of the UL which has a cheek swell. Three other quality items you can see in the pic are:

1. good laser cut checkering (not the quality of hand cut checkering but also not pressed)
2. sling swivels which do not make contact with the wood to protect it from scratching, and
3. a ridiculously large and dense butt pad for a 22LR rifle. The rifle is super comfortable to shoot.

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How good are the iron sights? What grain bullets and velocity are they calibrated for? Are they good enough for small game out to 75 yards?
 
Here are a couple of shots of my 13 year old shooting the UL.


I love it when Dads take their kids shooting/hunting! Your son will always treasure his time shooting with you and will profit greatly in terms of early marksmanship skills and safe gun-handling protocol. One bit of (albeit unsolicited) advice, he (all shooters) should always wear eye protection when firing a gun, especially when it's chambered in a rim-fire cartridge.
 
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I was thinking of putting a peep sight at the rear, I heard that the Trainer's dovetail is different from the Lux and regular 452 normal 3/8'' groove.

Any of you tried the Skinner sight CZ peep sight on these rifles? Or any other ones that work well with the factory front sight and stock?

The 452 American dovetail is standard 3/8". The Lux, Ultra Lux, FS, Scout, and Trainer have the 11-mm dovetail. (IIRC there's another exception or two in the non-.22LR calibers (that is, the 17 and 22 magnum) where the FS in those guns use the American receiver, so they have the 3/8" dovetails. But, I don't have any of those calibers in the 452 so I don't recall for certain -- details would be easy to find on RFC).

The Tech Sight and Skinner will both work. There's also a J&P Ghost Ring that replaces the rear blade on the 452 sights to provide a peep style sight. Several people like that setup, but it doesn't place the peep as close to your eye as one of the dove-tail mount types.
 
The sights are good enough for small game at 75 yards. They look like this

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SwampWolf, thanks for the comments. I have 6 kids and they all started shooting when they were very young. The one pictured is my youngest so I'm really enjoying it while I still can. I took his two brothers (ages 16 and 18) to the range last week. Good times that are sadly becoming less and less frequent.

Your advice is fair.
 
How good are the iron sights? What grain bullets and velocity are they calibrated for? Are they good enough for small game out to 75 yards?
Outstanding quality, pretty much like an old-school military mauser -- not chintzy or cheap at all. In addition to the rear tangent, the front blade is adjustable for height so you can set the sights for various ammo and then the rear tangent calibration will be pretty accurate per the distance marks. The sights are plenty good enough for small game (or golf ball-size targets) out to 75 yards. They are calibrated from 25 to 200 meters except for the Ultra Lux which is calibrated to 300. IME the calibrations are pretty much dead on.

EDIT: I'm still talking about the 452 here, not the 455. If you want the excellent tangent sights, you have to go with the 452. The 455 has fully adjustable sights, but you adjust elevation with a screwdriver, not with your fingers, and within a much more limited range.
 
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