Bolt or Auto Rimfire? pros cons etc.

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HI all, I've decided its time for one last gun before the election and since a .22 makes the most since around here (i can only hunt state land with a .22 lr or smaller or a 12 gauge) i've decided on either a marlin model 60 or a marlin 980 or 925 series. does anybody have any experience with either or both? is one more accurate? is one easier to clean or more reliable?

Thanks, any help is greatly appreciated:)
 
I use a autoloader with subsonic ammo for squirrels. In the case of a clean miss, a squirrel will often just freeze. If you have to move in order to cycle the action for a second shot, the squirrel will see the motion and take off. With an autoloader, more often than not you can get in a second shot. From time to time I have even bagged two different squirrels with two shots in quick succession.
 
The Marlins are very cost effective guns and as accurate out of the box as any and better than most. I prefer a tube fed bolt gun for several reasons: I don't like carbines, I don't spray and pray, I like the larger capacity of tube magazines and they balance better, I find that I concentrate on my shots better with a bolt gun because I don't have fast follow up shot and don't want a fast follow up shot, I want to hit "it" right the first time.
 
Bolts are far and away the easiest repeating rifles to clean. They are also more reliable, though my Marlin 60 works great.

My favorite Marlin .22 is neither, though. It's a lever gun.:)
 
My .22LR collection currently consists of a Ruger MkIII Hunter, Ruger 10/22, and a Marlin 981t. Next a revolver.
 
For hunting, the stock semi(ruger 10/22) will be as accurate as the bolt. More rounds, more fun.

The bolt has higher versatility in that it will cycle shot, whereas a semi may or may not. If you are going to add a supressor, the bolt will also be quieter. less action noise.
 
I had a Remington 550A automatic when I was a boy. Now I have:

Stevens Favorite, made in 1896
Stevens #26 Crackshot, made about 1915
Springfield M1922, remarked MK II
Marlin 15Y (my youngest daughter's gun)
Remington 541X (CMP rifle, a target rifle)
Kimber M82 -- my squirrel rifle.

With handguns, I have:

Ruger MKII standard model
Colt Officer's Model Target revolver
Colt Woodsman
Fed Ord M1911 with a Ciener Conversion Kit
Argentine M1927 with a Colt Service Ace Kit

The two I am most likely to take out into the woods with me are the Kimber M82 and Colt Woodsman.
 
Personally I doubt it makes much difference. In theory, the bolt action is more accurate, but I doubt most people could tell it. Most 22's, even semi's seem to do the job. It just depends on what you want, and how much you want to spend.

Personally I like all three. (Bolt, Lever, Semi....I've never tried a pump.)
 
Bolts are always easier to clean. As said, unless you shoot a lot of targets, you probably wouldn't or couldn't tell the difference between a bolt action and semi-auto 22 rifle as far as accuracy goes. Minute of squirrel or rabbit is a bit different from trying to shoot 0.25" groups at 50 yds. So if hunting and plinking is your primary use, I'd get a semi-auto myself. If you like bolt action rifles, get the bolt gun.
 
I have all of them, many times over if going over my past. My favorite here is the 981. it shoots short, long and long rifle reliably, and accurately. it will hold about 25 shorts in it's tube at one time, which is very cool. and it will also shoot cb rounds, and Aguila super colibris', dont use regular colibri's, as they may not make it out the end of your bbl. Easy cleaning, is just rediculously easy here. the mod 60 is known to be the most accurate, most reliable, of all the 22 autoloaders, and one of the cheapest to boot. if you want a semi, you cant go wrong here. Plus, when you remove the action assy., out the bottom of the receiver, you just blast it out with hot water, and relube. and the rest is just as easy to clean as a bolt action.
 
oh yeah, a lot of dudes like the 25's, because you can kind of mod them and trick them out a bit; plus they are also very rigid, and accuracy is very reliable.
 
ds92

GOOD QUALITY bolts with good quality ammo are ~very much~ more accurate than even the best quality and/or highly modified semi auto rifles. let me know if you ever see a semi auto 22 rifle competing in the olympics.

"1/4" @ 50yds"....try one hole instead.

that said, few really need that level of accuracy. surely not for hunting/target practice. and single shot 22 bolts reload painfully slow. you just have to decide your intended use(s) and go with the best compromise.

you can get better results, even with brick ammo from a semi auto by sorting your cartridges with a rim gauge. .22LR firearms are very sensitive to variations in rim thickness, when impact repeatability is the main concern. this way if you are needing a precise shot from it for hunting or target use, a plain vanilla semi can do quite well, compared to when it shoots unsorted ammunition.

BELOW FROM:
http://www.lasc.us/RangingShot15-4.htm

Stoney Point Rimfire Headspace Gauge

Ever have one of those mysterious fliers when shooting rimfire ammo. You know what I mean - where everything is lined up perfectly, trigger pull is perfect, sight picture is perfect, everything’s perfect and yet, in spite of all that perfection, the shot goes off somewhere into the blue. We’ve all had this experience - even when using premium ammunition.

22 benchrest shooters are well aware of this phenomenon and so naturally are really persnickety about their competition ammo. It’s not unusual for them to go through extensive testing to determine not only what particular brand and type of ammunition works best in their gun, but also what lot of that particular ammunition works best. Once they discover that, they’ll often spend thousands and thousands of dollars and buy as much of that lot that they can lay their hands on. It doesn’t stop there either. Then, before a match, they’ll use a 22 headspace gauge to check every individual round that will be used that day in order to make sure that every cartridge has the exact same rim thickness. 22 benchrest shooters know that headspace or rim thickness affects accuracy.

There are three basic philosophies about this issue. One is that you use the gauge to find the rim thickness that your individual gun likes best. The second is that you use the gauge to weed out the 22 cartridges whose rim headspace is significantly thinner or thicker than the average or typical rim thickness for that particular brand/lot of ammo. The third and most common is that you use the gauge for both purposes. A 22 benchrester without a rimfire headspace gauge is either a newbie or a very rare duck.

I won’t even begin to suggest that silhouette shooters go to the same lengths as the bench guys, but never the less, we can take a lesson from them. Sorting rimfire ammo by headspace, even premium rimfire ammo, has value in order to weed out that one in a 100 or even that one in 500 flier that will turn a perfect 40, 60, or 80 into something less. If you’re using less than premium ammo, those odds go up.

gunnie
 
well, of the two you mention, i would buy the model 60 auto loader. i have a bolt rimfire, a lever rimfire, and an auto rimfire. i like all of them. but, the autoloader is much more conveinient. and as you age, conveinience and comfort are 2 things that you just can't get enough of. if i am just goofing off shooting tin cans, i think the lever is the most fun. when i am serious about hunting, i take the bolt (which is a 22 mag). but the auto loader is quick, i can get 4 accurate shots off in the time it takes to get 2 off with the lever, or the bolt. i am sure there are many of you who can rack these faster than i do, but i do not practice it, and i really don't worry about it. if i am varmint hunting with the bolt, i usually dont need a second shot. it is super accurate, as long as i do my part. the only thing i wish for with the autoloader is a larger magazine. 15 shots go pretty fast with that one. now, if it had, say, 50 shots. that would be cool!
 
There are two truths.

True wisdom comes in knowing you know nothing.
&
Every really gunner owns multiple .22s.
 
Hi everybody thanks for all the replies

I already have a henry .22 which i love at the range but it was my first gun and i tend to really beat the crap out of guns that i go hunting with so i'd rather not use it for hunting-also the ironsights are all messed up on it (unexplained-my theory is that my scope bent them the first time it was on because it wasnt on tight enough). Point being, i'm saving that more for the range and i'm looking for a reliable, accurate, beater.

Anyways, thanks again!
 
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