Border Patrol Beretta 92

[giggitygiggity]

Hi, I just recently purchased a Beretta 92FS from a man who said that it has a Border Patrol trigger assembly in it. What is the difference between the Border Patrol trigger and the normal 92FS trigger? Thanks.

 

[YZ]

According to Massad Ayoob (The Gun Digest Book of Beretta Pistols) the US Border Patrol issues DAO Beretta 96 in .40S&W.

Your Beretta 92F is a 9mm DA/SA. A DAO trigger assembly would turn the 92F into something else. I would be skeptical and ask the seller what exactly he knows.

Good shooting,

YZ

 

[YZ]

P.S. The DAO pull often feels better than the initial DA pull in related models.

 

[BILLG]

I think the Border Patrol Model is decocker only.It is a G configuration.

 

[jim243]

You have to feed it Taco Bell??

Jim

 

[Shipwreck]

He is referring to the INS spring.

It replaces the factory trigger spring that should be replaced every 5k.. Honestly, doing that is not a big deal.

You must have a all metal trigger to use this drop in.. The newer polymer covered ones will not work with it.

It's the first item listed on this page:

http://www.gunsprings.com/Semi-Auto Pistols/BERETTA/92, 96, AND CENTURION/cID1/mID2/dID36

I have a factory D spring in all my 92s. It cuts the SA pull by about 1 lb and the DA pull by 3-3.5lbs. The standard strength INS spring adds weight back to the trigger. When I tried it - it actual put the trigger almost back to factory weight.

I decided to sell it and just go back to the factory spring. There is a reduced weight INS spring - it works for some... And, for others, it seems to make the trigger be stagy and have trouble returning back to the forward position. There seems to be some variation in specimen to specimen in that regard.

 

[YZ]

He is referring to the INS spring.

It replaces the factory trigger spring that should be replaced every 5k.. Honestly, doing that is not a big deal.

You must have a all metal trigger to use this drop in.. The newer polymer covered ones will not work with it.

It's the first item listed on this page:

http://www.gunsprings.com/Semi-Auto Pistols/BERETTA/92, 96, AND CENTURION/cID1/mID2/dID36

I have a factory D spring in all my 92s. It cuts the SA pull by about 1 lb and the DA pull by 3-3.5lbs. The standard strength INS spring adds weight back to the trigger. When I tried it - it actual put the trigger almost back to factory weight.

I decided to sell it and just go back to the factory spring. There is a reduced weight INS spring - it works for some... And, for others, it seems to make the trigger be stagy and have trouble returning back to the forward position. There seems to be some variation in specimen to specimen in that regard.

That could explain it. Not the BP trigger, only the spring. I doubt BP would even allow such modification on the M9. Their Berettas have it because they are DAO. I have experimented with springs on several occasions. It's a hit and miss. As long as your Beretta is not a CCW, no big deal.

 

[Shipwreck]

Actually, back when there was an INS, the government DID you this spring system.

 

[YZ]

Actually, back when there was an INS, the government DID you this spring system.

On the M9?
The gov lightened the trigger pull on a LE issue handgun?

 

[BILLG]

Nobody said anything about lightining the trigger pull.Shipwreck was talking about his Berettas.

 

[YZ]

Nobody said anything about lightining the trigger pull.Shipwreck was talking about his Berettas.

Shipwreck wrote:

the government DID you this spring system

Meaning - use this spring.

And what is the point of a lighter spring?

 

[BILLG]

For Petes Sake this trigger return spring system.http://www.gunsprings.com/Semi-Auto Pistols/BERETTA/92, 96, AND CENTURION/cID1/mID2/dID36 The standard one does NOTHING to lighten the pull.

 

[Shipwreck]

There are 2 different topics here - in my firts post - I think you are missing that

One - The INS spring

Two - the "D" spring I said I installed to lighten the trigger.

The standard model INS spring will actually add a little weight to the factory pull. My point about the "D" spring (a factory part by the way) is that I installed that to lower the DA trigger pull> Then, when I added the INS spring, it brought the weight back close to factory weight... Defeating the purpose of my D spring.

 

[YZ]

There are 2 different topics here - in my firts post - I think you are missing that

One - The INS spring

Two - the "D" spring I said I installed to lighten the trigger.

The standard model INS spring will actually add a little weight to the factory pull. My point about the "D" spring (a factory part by the way) is that I installed that to lower the DA trigger pull> Then, when I added the INS spring, it brought the weight back close to factory weight... Defeating the purpose of my D spring.

The question was about "the Border Patrol trigger assembly". If it makes sense to all of you that the whole trigger assembly may be borrowed from a DAO Border Patrol model (with no single action sear) and transplanted into a SA/DA model, I am not going to argue.

 

[Shipwreck]

The question was about "the Border Patrol trigger assembly". If it makes sense to all of you that the whole trigger assembly may b

I have a LOT of Berettas - and I can strip the frames and change parts easily. I'm not bragging - I only mean that I do know what I am talking about. The trigger and trigger spring is the same in all the 92s - it has NOTHING to do whether or not the gun is DA/SA or DAO.

There are other parts involved with whether the gun is DA/SA or DAO - including the slide. You obviously have no idea about the internal workings of the 92 in this regard.

I've explained the 1 con to be aware of when dealing with this INS spring upgrade - - increasing the trigger weight. To me - changing the factory spring every 5k (actually, every 5k trigger pulls - so keep that in mind with dry firing) is the way to go. However, factory trigger springs are thicker than they were back in the 80s - so, the 5K recommendation is just that - a recommendation. The spring should go longer than that easily with the newer springs.

I just change mine when I change the recoil spring - easiest way to track it.

 

[returningfire]

Maybe it will only shoot gubment ammo?

 

[Destructo6]

BP quit using the Beretta 96D Brigadier about 5 years ago. It was a heavy DAO with no safety.

It was heavy in all respects.

The HK p2000 with the LEM trigger is current issue (P2000sk and USPc to a lesser extent).

 

[YZ]

BP quit using the Beretta 96D Brigadier about 5 years ago. It was a heavy DAO with no safety.

It was heavy in all respects.

The HK p2000 with the LEM trigger is current issue (P2000sk and USPc to a lesser extent).

Makes you wonder what the selling point of that trigger was.

 

[Ken70]

Makes you wonder what the selling point of that trigger was.

It was to lessen the number of adrenalin related AD's. My bedroom gun is a 92D, 11# trigger pull. You really have to want the gun to fire.

 

[waterhouse]

Until about 2005 the Border Patrol issue the beretta 96 brigadier. It was double action only and had a long but decent trigger pull. I don't recall exactly but it was a fairly heavy trigger. Around 2005-2006 they transitioned to the h&k p2000 with the LEM trigger. I spoke with a lot of the firearms instructors and they all said that the trainees were getting higher qualifying scores, which they attributed to the trigger on the new gun.

 

[Destructo6]

Makes you wonder what the selling point of that trigger was.

When it was adopted, the Service was transitioning from revolvers to the first automatic. So, I believe the selling point was a trigger that was very similar to a revolver's DA mode and it did a good job to replicate that.

Around 2005-2006 they transitioned to the h&k p2000 with the LEM trigger. I spoke with a lot of the firearms instructors and they all said that the trainees were getting higher qualifying scores, which they attributed to the trigger on the new gun.

That is definately not true for the vast majority of agents who transitioned from the Beretta to the HK lem. All of the tricks that were taught for the Beretta translated into horrible habits (fully release trigger on recoil, smoothly pull front to back) with the HK.

The HK is far less forgiving.

I see it every day.

 

[YZ]

Is there any advantage in the "border patrol" trigger vs stock 92fs to a civilian buyer, such as the fellow who started this thread?

 

[Shipwreck]

Is there any advantage in the "border patrol" trigger vs stock 92fs to a civilian buyer, such as the fellow who started this thread?

Well, the Border Patrol drop in assembly MUST have an all metal trigger - so you will have to get one of these if you have a newer 92. Only advantage is that this will NEVER break. No need to change the factory spring periodically. But, to me, this isn't a big deal, personally.

Disadvantage - regular strength one actually ADDS weight to the trigger. And, the lower powered version may or may not make the trigger act kinda funny. You won't know until you put it in.

 

[Geo47]

I think Shipwreck's posts answer the question. After breaking the factory trigger spring on my Beretta 92 for the second time, I replaced it with the Wolff/INS coil spring. The standard power Wolff spring doesn't feel any heavier than the factory spring; light at the beginning, it just stacks a bit more toward the end, in the double action stroke, as you would expect with a coil spring. I don't feel much difference in single action. I should add that my factory springs broke only twice in about ten years of carry and occasional shooting. What's unnerving is that they broke only during live-fire, not dry fire practice. Not something you want happening in a critical situation.