Bore Buddy 21" 1-12 twist 22LR AR barrel

[mavracer]

I had some Eley Target with me the other day. But I was so frustrated with the flyers from Cci Standard and SK Rifle Match that I didn't bother trying the Eley. I might try the Norma Tac-22 in my Savage MkII but it was horrible in my BB barrel.

Yeah my experience with the Norma TAC hasn't been spectacular. I was pretty excited after seeing some reviews, PSA had a smoking deal on it for $33 a brick with free shipping on 2 or more, it shoots pretty good at 25 but 50 and 100 it started throwing fliers low. CCI SV was better but the Eley Contact was sub MOA and seems very repeatable at both distances so far.
ETA the 42gr contact bullet has ~.2 mil less drop at 100 than TAC or SV did

 

[12Bravo20]

I've said it many times, each barrel is different. My Savage MkII does very well with CCI Mini Mags, The 16" CMMG barrel so far does best with CCI Standard and my Chiappa barrel does best with CCI AR Tactical.

 

[Laphroaig]

I might try the Norma Tac-22 in my Savage MkII but it was horrible in my BB barrel.

My impression of TAC-22 is that it is a step below CCI Standard. Its definitely not target grade ammo.

 

[12Bravo20]

My impression of TAC-22 is that it is a step below CCI Standard. Its definitely not target grade ammo.

My impression is it is junk, at least in the uppers I tried it in. My 410 Mossberg Shockwave shooting buckshot had a tighter group at 10 yards than Tac-22 did at 50 yards.

 

[Chuck R.]

My impression is it is junk, at least in the uppers I tried it in. My 410 Mossberg Shockwave shooting buckshot had a tighter group at 10 yards than Tac-22 did at 50 yards.

It works OK in my B14R at least .5MOA and stays on a 4" plate at 200 and an 8" plat at 300. I use it for practice ammo.

Yesterday and this morning I was messing with an EC V2 Tuner and managed to get several decent 5 shot groups with it. The two on the right are both under .4" the top measures .32" and the bottom .38". I don't consider it match grade, but for practice, especially off of props, my misses are by more than a couple .1s.

Top group on the left was cold bore, so 1 high, then the rest settled in.

SD/ES wise it's "OK", low teens. Definitely not SK LR or Lapua LR quality, but I'm getting it for $38.00 . My last brick of Lapua was just shy of $200 delivered.

 

[mavracer]

It works OK in my B14R at least .5MOA and stays on a 4" plate at 200 and an 8" plat at 300. I use it for practice ammo.

Yesterday and this morning I was messing with an EC V2 Tuner and managed to get several decent 5 shot groups with it. The two on the right are both under .4" the top measures .32" and the bottom .38". I don't consider it match grade, but for practice, especially off of props, my misses are by more than a couple .1s.

Top group on the left was cold bore, so 1 high, then the rest settled in.

SD/ES wise it's "OK", low teens. Definitely not SK LR or Lapua LR quality, but I'm getting it for $38.00 . My last brick of Lapua was just shy of $200 delivered.

Those are 100 yard groups?

 

[Chuck R.]

Those are 100 yard groups?

Nope, 50s..

 

[mavracer]

Nope, 50s..

Ok I read your first sentence as at least .5 moa. Still great shooting at 50. You have me looking at tuners lol.

SD/ES wise it's "OK", low teens. Definitely not SK LR or Lapua LR quality, but I'm getting it for $38.00 . My last brick of Lapua was just shy of $200 delivered.

When moving from 50 yards to 200 and 300 yards low SD/ES becomes real important.
.5" groups at 50 with SD in the low teens is a very different animal than .5" groups with a SD in the 30s

 

[Chuck R.]

Ok I read your first sentence as at least .5 moa. Still great shooting at 50. You have me looking at tuners lol.


When moving from 50 yards to 200 and 300 yards low SD/ES becomes real important.
.5" groups at 50 with SD in the low teens is a very different animal than .5" groups with a SD in the 30s

RGR, miss-typed .5" not MOA...

That would make the Tuner AND TAC 22 "special"!

Both the SK LR Match and Lapua LR got single digit SDs and .3 & .4" at 50 before the tuner, just waiting for a calm day to find a setting for the Lapua. The SK I'm about out of, so it's not worth the effort.

In theory at least, the tuner should lessen the effect of the lot to lot variations, but we'll see. As long as the chrono stats are good, I should be able to find a node where the ammo will group well.

 

[mavracer]

In theory at least, the tuner should lessen the effect of the lot to lot variations, but we'll see. As long as the chrono stats are good, I should be able to find a node where the ammo will group well.

I'd be tickled just to get SV or TAC to get close to 1 MOA consistent at 100.

I really should chronograph the lot of TAC I have, my ear says it might not be as good as the one you have.

 

[mavracer]

Guess I stand corrected on Norma TAC I just needed to try it in the right gun lol.
Savage Mk2 @50 yards 5 shots.

 

[CraigC]

I use a lot of the TAC hollowpoint. Not because it's exceedingly accurate but because it's subsonic and still expands. It shoots well enough in most guns.

 

[Chuck R.]

Guess I stand corrected on Norma TAC I just needed to try it in the right gun lol.
Savage Mk2 @50 yards 5 shots.
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Good shooting!

Unfortunately, it doesn't chono that well, but for practice ammo it's OK.

We were practicing today on a KYL at 57 yards and I cleaned it twice using Norma TAC 22.. granted, no timer, perfect wind and I did just nick the 1/4" the 1st run through. Still it shoots OK in my Bergara.

Ran some Lapua LR through my rifle tonight to adjust the tuner. 27rds with an SD of 5.7FPS.. Multiple 3 shot groups touching, with a couple single holers. Started with a clean barrel and the 2nd 5 shot group went into .26" at 50 for 5 shots. I love that ammo!

 

[mavracer]

Unfortunately, it doesn't chono that well, but for practice ammo it's OK.

LOL all my ammo is practice ammo.

ETA I did fire a 10 shot group using Federal Auto Match with expected results 7 were in a so so sub 1" group the other 3 fliers opened it up to 3"+.
It used to be pretty good prior to the first drought in 2008, but no more.

 

[Chuck R.]

LOL all my ammo is practice ammo.

ETA I did fire a 10 shot group using Federal Auto Match with expected results 7 were in a so so sub 1" group the other 3 fliers opened it up to 3"+.
It used to be pretty good prior to the first drought in 2008, but no more.

That's probably the biggest aggravation..

I've been playing with the EC Tuner, IMHO a great aid, but doesn't help with the flyers. They're still there, just not as bad. After the next 2 bricks of TAC22 are gone I might have to up my game to something like Eley TGT or SK Standard +.

 

[mavracer]

That's probably the biggest aggravation..

Yeah I've pretty much relegated it to duty in my braced Charger with a binary trigger it at least is good at making noise.
I'm down to about my last brick of Winchester T22 which not only throws fliers, it doesn't go bang about 10% of the time.
I burn most of the stuff that shoots crappy on an informal pistol league at the 7 yard line even the fliers hold the 10 ring.

 

[12Bravo20]

I still need to get out and shoot the Apogee barrel some more. I think I will do a few mag dumps with CCI Mini Mags before going back to CCI Standard. Hopefully the flyers will go away. One thing I did notice with the barrel is that there are two tight spots in it, so I might need to lap it. The barrel did show potential with CCI Standard with the exception of the flyers.

For those having good luck with Federal Auto Match, I am glad to hear that. I bought some years ago that wouldn't even cycle properly in my Marlin Model 60 or Ruger 10/22 and yes I tried different lots too. If ammo won't cycle properly in a Marlin Model 60 or Ruger 10/22 then it is junk to me and not worth buying ever again. Same goes with Remington Golden Turd and Remington Thunder Duds.

 

[Chuck R.]

Yeah I've pretty much relegated it to duty in my braced Charger with a binary trigger it at least is good at making noise.
I'm down to about my last brick of Winchester T22 which not only throws fliers, it doesn't go bang about 10% of the time.
I burn most of the stuff that shoots crappy on an informal pistol league at the 7 yard line even the fliers hold the 10 ring.

Friday I picked up a new Colt King Cobra Target .22LR... so I have a use for the "bad" stuff.

 

[mavracer]

For those having good luck with Federal Auto Match, I am glad to hear that. I bought some years ago that wouldn't even cycle properly in my Marlin Model 60 or Ruger 10/22 and yes I tried different lots too. If ammo won't cycle properly in a Marlin Model 60 or Ruger 10/22 then it is junk to me and not worth buying ever again. Same goes with Remington Golden Turd and Remington Thunder Duds.

30+ years in manufacturing tells me the faster they run the machines the less consistent the priming compound amd powder charges will be. Add to that putting 200 to 550 rounds loose in a box and then bouncing it around in the supply chain can't be good for things like neck tension that we know affects accuracy.
Most consumers have come to expect a few duds and fliers from bulk 22, it's not hard for me to believe manufacturers pad the profits a bit speeding up the machines when they're filling a 1400 round bucket.

 

[12Bravo20]

And that is why I don't buy cheap bulk pack rimfire ammo, too many duds and flyers.

 

[mavracer]

And that is why I don't buy cheap bulk pack rimfire ammo, too many duds and flyers.

Thing is it really ain't that cheap, compared to stuff that shoots sooo much better

 

[12Bravo20]

Now if the flyers go away in my barrel then I will try the Eley and SK ammo I have, otherwise that barrel will get put on the back burner. My 16" 1-16 twist CMMG barrel is more accurate than the Bore Buddy Apogee 1-12 twist barrel as it stands right now. There is no reason for me to waste expensive ammo in that barrel if it is still producing flyers like it has. My CMMG barrel and my Savage MkII with its heavy varmint barrel both shoot CCI Standard and CCI Mini Mags without any flyers.

The last bulk ammo I have bought has been Federal Champion 36Gr HP in a tin can and Aquila Super Extra 38Gr HP, both shoot well with no duds and no flyers out of my rifles.

 

[mavracer]

Was looking at the Aguila at Target Sports the 50 round boxes are only 25 cents more a brick than the 500 round boxes are.