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This really, really annoyed me. Anyone who can write into their editorials, please do so. Ask them WHY, if NH and VT are the source of all the "illegal guns" on the streets of MA, why NH and VT DO NOT have the violent crime problem that MA has? (Hint, CCW in NH and VT is easy, near-impossible in MA. Hm!)

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Live free and die

By Steve Bailey, Globe Columnist | November 30, 2005

WEST LEBANON, N.H. -- In the manic environment of the first shopping weekend after Thanksgiving, the competition was fierce. We hesitated and lost out on a lovely, slightly used grenade launcher, bargain priced in tax-free New Hampshire at $190.

Not to worry. The dozens of dealers at the Fireside Inn gun show came well armed. Andrew Heggie, a Randolph police officer, spotted a Bushmaster, similar to the rifle he carried in two tours of duty in Afghanistan. And he found an AK-47, the same gun the enemy carried. There were military sniper rifles and an M-16-type ''machine pistol" capable of firing off 100 rounds before reloading -- the kind of gun only an angry high school student could love. Saturday night specials were cheap and plentiful.

In the end, we settled on a .38-caliber revolver, a trashy little thing popular with thugs in cities like Boston. Made by Connecticut's Charter 2000 Inc. in New England's ''Gun Valley," the revolver retails for $349, but my fellow New Hampshire shopper, Walter Belair, picked it up, cash and carry, for just $240. It took Belair, a former prison guard, less than 20 minutes to fill out the federal forms and get approved over the phone. It took me longer to buy a refrigerator at Sears a few weeks ago.

But this is New Hampshire, the ''Live Free or Die" state, where no gun license is required, and there is no limit on what a resident can buy.

''I can buy all the guns I want," Belair says. And he could sell his new .38 down the street, too, no questions asked.

Massachusetts has the toughest gun laws in the nation, but the streets of Boston haven't felt this dangerous in years. Increasingly, say police, guns are coming from Northern New England, where the gun laws are weaker. Gun shows, a billion-dollar business, are one source of guns: There are an estimated 5,000 gun shows like this one around the country every year, and many of them, unlike the one here, include so-called private sellers that require no background checks at all.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives found that gun shows rank second, after corrupt firearms distributors, in the number of illegally trafficked guns that turn up in its investigations, according to a 2000 report. The National Rifle Association has suggested that ''hundreds of thousands of guns" are sold at gun shows with no background checks. The weapons used in the Columbine High School massacre, which left 14 dead, came from gun shows.

Dramatically reducing the flow of illegal guns would be a relatively straightforward matter if it were not for the lunatic gun lobby and its political enablers. What is needed is uniform national gun laws that require background checks for all gun purchases whether from licensed dealers or from private individuals. In addition, we need to limit gun purchases for individuals to one per month, a policy that has proven effective in Virginia. Question: How many legitimate buyers need more than a dozen guns a year?

Thirty thousand people a year -- 82 a day -- are killed by guns every year in this country. Every two years more Americans die of firearms than all the American soldiers killed in eight years in Vietnam. And yet there is more accountability for dog owners than gun owners; at least dog owners have to have a license. ''If there were white kids in the suburbs dying, we would end gun trafficking," says Heggie, the Randolph cop.

Nationally there are 45 gun shows scheduled for next weekend alone, according to the Big Show Journal, a trade magazine. If you missed last weekend's show in West Lebanon, you'll have another chance before Christmas on Dec. 17 and 18 at the Rockingham Race Park in Salem. And there are four more New Hampshire shows before spring ends. Children under 12 are admitted free.

Steve Bailey is a Globe columnist. He can be reached at [email protected].
© Copyright 2005 Globe Newspaper Company.
 
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Thirty thousand people a year -- 82 a day -- are killed by guns every year in this country.

How many times are they going to cart out this tired old lie?
 
Why should NH and Vermont be any different? The Boston Globe has been insulting (the intelligence of) MA residents for years with their crap.
 
"As I've said before, New Hampshire ought to invade Mass and fix that place up."

OK, I'll leave the key under the mat for you.

That "article" has more inaccuracies than even most of the anti-gun liberal drivel that is usually spewed up on the page. At least most of the people I've spoken with recognize that it's a lot of political crap.
 
wow, they managed to get the race card in there too :barf:

geezes I hate pompous lying scum like that...
 
Dramatically reducing the flow of illegal guns would be a relatively straightforward matter if it were not for the lunatic gun lobby and its political enablers. ... Question: How many legitimate buyers need more than a dozen guns a year?

Dramatically reducing the flow of criminals might actually accomplish something.

Question: how many legitimate buyers need more than a dozen books and magazines a year?
 
Wait.......................

I thought irresponsible gun owners who didn't lock their guns up in a safe and then got them stolen, were the primary source of illegal guns on the street.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives found that gun shows rank second, after corrupt firearms distributors, in the number of illegally trafficked guns that turn up in its investigations, according to a 2000 report.
 
MA has been upset for years that other states do not subscribe to their gun banning ways.

And I would submit Hawaii has tougher gun laws.
 
Practically every weapon the author thinks he saw is actually Title 2/Class III under the NFA. He sees a 37mm flare gun dressed up to look like an M203, thinks it's an M203. Sees a WASR-10, thinks it's an AK-47. Sees an XM-15, thinks it's an M16.

I wrote the author a polite letter pointing this out, and from his reply it sounds like his "police officer afghanistan veteran" companion was either feeding him a line, or honestly didn't know beans about civilian rifles and the Federal laws that regulate them (I suspect the latter). :scrutiny:
 
And another thought:

What other states bother to follow MA?

Certainly not VT and NH
 
benEzra said:
Practically every weapon the author thinks he saw is actually Title 2/Class III under the NFA. He sees a 37mm flare gun dressed up to look like an M203, thinks it's an M203. Sees a WASR-10, thinks it's an AK-47. Sees an XM-15, thinks it's an M16.

I wrote the author a polite letter pointing this out, and from his reply it sounds like his "police officer afghanistan veteran" companion was either feeding him a line, or honestly didn't know beans about civilian rifles and the Federal laws that regulate them (I suspect the latter). :scrutiny:


I believe WASR-10s are legal in MA and so are post ban type XM-15s
 
Hawaii is actually one place where I think strict gun laws would actually reduce the number of gun related crimes. Thats not to say that people wouldn't commit crimes with knives/bats/crossbows or who knows what, but in a place like Hawaii, you actually could severely hamper crimminals access to gun control.
What is Hawaii's crime rate btw??
 
LAR-15 said:
And another thought:

What other states bother to follow MA?

Certainly not VT and NH

I appreciate that very much, considering that the good people of MA elected John Kerry.
 
I wonder if the gun show was selling those " My guns have killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car" bumper stickers.
 
Thirty thousand people a year -- 82 a day -- are killed by guns every year in this country.

He must mean in video games.

jmm
 
grimjaw said:
Thirty thousand people a year -- 82 a day -- are killed by guns every year in this country.

He must mean in video games.

jmm

Steve Bailey should take on video games and leave guns alone!
 
Here is the email I sent to the piece's author this morning...

hillbilly


I must say I got quite a kick out of your column about how scary gun shows are.

Anti-gunners have been getting kicked in the teeth, politically speaking, for so long now, that all you guys have left is your old, tired play book that's gotten you nowhere so far.

Gun shows are scary, I tell you, SCARY!!!!!! Look at how scary it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In election after election, the people keep electing pro-gun candidates. Concealed carry is the law of the land in all but Kansas, Illinois, and Wisconsin, but I think Wisconsin just passed such a law of their own yesterday.

The idiotic "assault weapons ban" sunset without even a whimper.

But you anti-gunners have no other recourse than to keep trying to scare people with how scary gun shows are...........It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic and sad to watch. It's like watching a stranded fish vainly try to flop back into the water only a few feet away, but it keeps flopping itself farther and farther onto dry land instead.

People are beginning to notice truths, like the fact that more than half of the "people killed by guns" are in fact suicides.

They are noticing that in states that have right-to-carry laws that there aren't a bunch of random shootings in road rage incidents, but that violent crimes against people actually decrease, as criminals figure out that their victims might be packing.

People are also beginning to notice another truth that even you point out in your column. Even though Boston has some really tough gun laws, Boston seems to have
much higher homicide rates than places like New Hampshire or Florida or Vermont (to see something REALLY scary, go look up Vermont's concealed carry law and write a column about that, okay?) or any other place with fewer gun laws.

Washington D.C., where it has been illegal to even own a handgun since
1976, is consistently among the cities with the most murders and highest murder rate.

Yeah, that total handgun ban really works in D.C., doesn't it?

Yes, it's very telling that you had to leave Boston and go to another state to see a scary gun show to scare people with. It's sadly amusing that you argue Boston's homicide problem is actually New Hampshire's fault.

Keep writing pieces like this one. It's fun to watch the flopping......flop......flop.........flop
 
jkswiss....what makes you think a total handgun ban would work in Hawaii?

If you'd like to see how well a total gun ban works on an island, just check out the glowing success that's been Great Britain's total handgun ban.....


hillbilly
 
email i sent to the author:

In your article, Live free and Die, you state that Massachusetts has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation. Thats true. How do you explain, then, that in NH where it's so easy to legally buy and carry firearms, there's so little crime?
People who go to the trouble to get a permit to legally own or carry guns aren't what we have to worry about, and legislation to make it harder to get guns won't stop criminals, who ignore the law. If you want Boston to feel safer, consider making it EASIER to get a concealed carry permit. Dr. John R. Lott published a study used FBI crime data to find that in the 10 states that adopted right to carry laws between 1977 and 1992, there was only a .5% rise in suicide rates, while there was a 5% decline in rape, a 7% drop in aggravated assault, and an 8% drop in murder. (Lott, John R. Jr. "More Guns, Less Crime." University of Chicago Press, 1998.) When Florida adopted their right to carry law, between 1987 and 1994 murder rates with or without a handgun dropped, and only 15 people were recorded as committing a crime with a firearm. (Lott, John R. Jr. and Mustard, David B. "Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns." University of Chicago School of Law, 7/26/96.)

If you'd like to see a safer Boston, the people must be given the tools to stand a chance against the criminals.


Not that he'll read it or try and understand or anything, after all, we ARE the "lunatic gun lobby" :rolleyes:
 
MA folks should stay in MA. We in NH and Vermont would appreciate that you did. PS We really don't care if you vacation here or not
 
benEzra said:
Practically every weapon the author thinks he saw is actually Title 2/Class III under the NFA. He sees a 37mm flare gun dressed up to look like an M203, thinks it's an M203. Sees a WASR-10, thinks it's an AK-47. Sees an XM-15, thinks it's an M16.

I wrote the author a polite letter pointing this out, and from his reply it sounds like his "police officer afghanistan veteran" companion was either feeding him a line, or honestly didn't know beans about civilian rifles and the Federal laws that regulate them (I suspect the latter). :scrutiny:

The article was so clueless that I even figure that the "$190 grenade launcher" was probably just an overpriced SKS 59/66. But "grenade launcher" SOUNDS more dangerous. :barf: (Where're you going to get grenades...?)
 
In Hawaii...

we have an enourmous amount of hoops to jump through...all for naught as far as I can tell.

We have mandatory safety education prior to acquiring your first handgun. We have a mandatory two week wait for every (from dealer or private individual, even at gunshows) handgun purchase. We have mandatory registration of all handguns and longguns. We are limited to possessing any firearms or ammunition to a very few places (home, place of work with employer permission, place of sojourn, gunshop, gunsmith, police station, gun range, hunting area) and transporting unloaded in a case directly between those few places. We have may issue CCW (and one day pigs MAY fly also). We can only possess neutered handgun magazines of 10 rounds. We were recently rated the 3rd safest city (Honolulu) for its size.

All this has made little difference to: the guy recently stabbed by two idiots while he was exiting a bar (a samurai sword may have been involved, this in a parking lot with a police substation trailer), the 34 year old pregnant woman beat to brain death by her boyfriend who she had a TRO on (on life support to try and save the baby), the elderly woman strangled in her own home with an extension cord (the police publicly claimed to have zero clues about who did it), the couple in their 40's who were beaten by a couple of hoods because the the couple had yelled at the hoods for completely blocking the crosswalk at a stop light (hoods left, turned around came back, beat the husband into critical condition), or the approximately 8 (as of 2000) people who are the victims of violent crime every day here in paradise. These are just the few cases sticking in my brain from the last month or so.

And yes, we (ms. migoi and I) have a plan to exit in the not too distant future.

migoi
 
migoi said:
All this has made little difference to: the guy recently stabbed by two idiots while he was exiting a bar (a samurai sword may have been involved, this in a parking lot with a police substation trailer), the 34 year old pregnant woman beat to brain death by her boyfriend who she had a TRO on (on life support to try and save the baby), the elderly woman strangled in her own home with an extension cord (the police publicly claimed to have zero clues about who did it), the couple in their 40's who were beaten by a couple of hoods because the the couple had yelled at the hoods for completely blocking the crosswalk at a stop light (hoods left, turned around came back, beat the husband into critical condition), or the approximately 8 (as of 2000) people who are the victims of violent crime every day here in paradise. These are just the few cases sticking in my brain from the last month or so.
migoi

Man. Where's Jack Lord when you need him?
 
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