Bowling for Columbine

[scottgun]

A liberal acquaintance of mine suggested to me that I should go see Bowling for Columbine, I said maybe when shows on PBS I'll watch it. There is no point in paying any money towards this film or MM. I try to be open minded and we can all agree to disagree but I'm not going to pay 8 bucks in the process.

I am slowly converting this liberal anti acquaintance to believe in private firearm ownership with logic and reality, believe it or not. When were headed up to the mountains for skiing and told him about another friend who was involved in a road rage incident where a guy side-swiped his car while driving down the median then chased him at high speeds trying to run him off the road. He admitted that "in that case, I could see having a gun to protect yourself" Yes! When it seems like it could actually happen to you, idealolgy takes a back seat to reality. BTW, my friend being chased had his cell phone and Glock readily accessible.

Calling Michael Moore a piece of s#!t gives fecal matter everywhere a bad name, at least manure has a useful purpose <rant mode off>

 

[Justin]

Given that Michael Moore is a raving socialist, I'm sure he would understand if I opted to simply download a pirated copy of his movie off of the internet instead of allowing him to exploit me for the money in my pocket.


But then again, my hard drive space is pretty limited.

 

[St. Gunner]

Guy B. Meredith,

I put it here for that, that is a accumulation of several years worth of material I picked-up here, there, and yonder. It in various forms over the last few years has opened up some dialog and helped make some converts. You don't learn much about the genocides of the last century in history class anymore, which makes it that much easier to think it could never happen here. I play the race card part of gun control, because on a basic level most of the people pushing gun restrictions do so because they think racism in any form is wrong, but they never realized the history of gun laws.

If it pops up here under my name anyone can feel free to use, if you need references to any of the stuff there statistics wise, pm me about it. The numbers killed in genocide is fairly easy to find if you search under the various countries. Most of the quotes can be found on second amendment foundation .

If it helps us in the fight, I want it used, I don't care about credit or anything like that.

 

[cratz2]

I do want to see the mindless, ill-thought, left-wing collection of lies and sensational meetings but I refuse to pay any money to do so, either in theaters, buying the DVD or even renting it. If I can borrow it, I will... Don't have cable/dish.

 

[ReadyontheRight]

St. Gunner -- excellent letter!

 

[Ian]

My mom really liked Bowling For Columbine, and suggested that I see it. I did, and in the resulting discussion her opinion of Michael Moore made a complete about-face.

Some interesing and enlightening "facts" from the movie:

* Klebold and Harris killed people because many parents in Littleton work for Lockheed, which makes missiles.
* The media hates blacks, because they call killer bees "Africanized bees."
* Terry Nichol's brother is representative of American gun owners.
* Three high school kids cutting class are representative of all Canadian citizens.
* Charlton Heston is directly responsible for the killing of a seven-year-old girl in Michigan.

Blech. Now that mom isn't likely to see any more Michael Moore crap, there's no way I will be either.

 

[King]

I liked your essay St.Gunner...in fact, I copied it my personal email folder for possible future use. It speaks loudly.........

It was also repeated here many time but let me advise also...Please do not pay to see that film. The $$ collect will be viewed as a general endorsement of this guys ideas.

 

[MonkeyMan]

St. Gunner, you have my deepest respect and thanks. I not only work for a college but I went back to get my degree in electronics at the tender age of fourty-something. Makes life real interesting sometimes when the "long-haired, red-neck, gun-nut " turns around and actually points out some of the Bravo Sierra that the anti crowd shovels up so freely. I'm not sure which they hate more, the fact that I'm aware of their lies or that I'm not as dumb as I look?

Stay safe.

 

[St. Gunner]

Monkeyman,

I don't have the long haired and I am only 28years old, but I do wear everyday a Remington ball cap. College has been a real drag, i'm an English Major and talk about an area being crammed plum full of socialists, and proud of it. My reputation precedes me into classes most of the time, normally that is not so good. I had a sizable disagreement with a proff over the Ben Franklin and his views on personal liberties, he lost, cursed me loudly and then had me removed from his class. But he did get to pay me back out of his paycheck. It has run the gauntlet from low key I don't like guns to outright anti-liberty zealotry. I try to take it al in stride and just refute kindly and at times simply ignore it.

This time it raised my hackles. I actually deal better with the in your face type of assualt on my values, this was phrased in such a way as to be a sneak attack. I've noticed it more and more the longer I have been there, and it is working. I can tell you some horror stories of parents who sent off sweet little innocent Megan with a strong sense of conservativeness and a love of hunting and shooting and got returned an openly homosexual card carrying PETA member with a tattoo that says, "MMM" in large letters. Proffs seem to take great pride in changing and shaping young minds, i'm a hard headed cuss and it didn't take well with me.

The most important thing parents can do is keep in touch with their kids, that stuff just snowballs and is presented so gently and non-confrontationally that it gets under the skin and after endless exposure to it, they begin to see the world that way. Everytime I look at college anymore, it seems more like a cult of some sort. Certain areas seem to be partially immune to it, but when it says Liberal Arts, you can bet your last dollar what you will find there is a mixture of sociailism, communism, and a healthy dose of outright fascism. Liberalism does not truly exist at colleges, nobody is open minded enough to practice it.

King,

It was a free pass, but I wasn't going to buy a soda or a bag of popcorn or set me gun owning behind in a theater who showed such trash. Besides i'd rather buy another box of ammo than a box of popcorn anyday.

All,

Thanks for the nice things you had to say, but pat yourselves on the back for that letter to, because internet forums and their members is what has fostered those views and helped research those arguements, and some of you from TFL I really flat out argued with about certain issues, all if it fostered that and a few other things.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Keep it up St. Gunner and the pen will be mightier than the sword (but never the gun. They're pretty final).

 

[Politically Incorrect]

I saw this movie today. It isn't so much about guns as it is about Michael Moore's bleeding heart liberal viewpoints.

Roger and Me was a great movie (even though there is much more to economic decisions made by General Motors than Moore will ever know). This movie falls way below the potential of Moore. It was unfocused just as its title. Was it about bowling? Was it about Columbine? Yeah, sometimes it was.

The coolest thing about the movie was that it was playing at the local art house where you can drink beer inside the theater and think about how Triumph the Insult Comic Dog would view this movie.

Triumph: "This was such a great movie...for me to poop on!"

 

[cratz2]

Well, I watched it last night (courtesy of DSL) and, while I can't quite stand the man, and certainly don't respect some of his tactics, some of his arguments and ideas are worthy of a listen.

Why does Americas involved in such a high number of violent attacks and murders? He contends it has nothing to do with wealth or lack of it, unemployment, racial deversity or social back ground. He makes the point that, while Detroit is the city with the highest per capita murder rate of the major US cities, across the river in Windsor Canada they've only had one murder in the last four or five years and that was committed by a resident of Detroit. Windsor's uneployment rate is higher than that Detroit.

He argues that the media may be to blame as it preesents such an idea of horror on the news. This is certainly true, whether this is to blame or not.

Couldn't hard stand to watch the interview with Mr. Heston. I certainly think it was in extreme poor taste to show up in the cities of two recent school shooting to promote the NRA. I thought it was tasteless but then, they are guaranteed the right to do so.

At least they hurt K-Mart. Anything that pulls money out of the pockets of K-Marts upper management is good.

All in all, I'd give it a solid D.

 

[DAL]

Couldn't hard stand to watch the interview with Mr. Heston I certainly think it was in extreme poor taste to show up in the cities of two recent school shooting to promote the NRA.

Hmmm, as if the NRA had ANYTHING to do with what those two little f*****s did (who, by the way, I hope are being gang-raped in Hell). The NRA promotes responsible gun ownership and safety, not murderous rampages by psycopaths who use guns.

The ONLY thing wrong with the NRA is that they have rolled over too much in the past for the liberals and psuedo-conservatives (read: most conservative politicians).

BTW, no right-thinking gun owner should give one dime to Moore in the form of a movie ticket or otherwise. It is immoral to give money to people opposed to your beliefs.
DAL

 

[Politically Incorrect]

B-B-But Michael Moore is a NRA Life Member.

I didn't buy the ticket. Someone invited me after discussing politics. Their viewpoint was emotion; "How do you explain to this girl's mom that her little daughter was killed by another six year-old?"

If I remember correctly, the boy's uncle was a drug dealer (thanks to our lucrative War on Drugs), so chances are he wasn’t a “productive†member of “society.†Michael Moore in a way blamed the state of Michigan Welfare-to-work system. If she had been able to keep her benefits, she wouldn’t have moved in with her brother who had the gun. It seems that Moore doesn’t believe that it’s entirely a parent’s responsibility, but society plays a role in why this child shot another child.

It seems that my friend and perhaps Moore has the idea that because people grew up in a certain neighborhood that they are predisposition for negative things to happen. I told him that I believed that most of what happens to you is directly related to your actions or inactions in life.

An example of my life is my broken legs as a result of a procedure that a company I worked for knew was dangerous. I made decisions earlier in life that resulted in me being there that moment when my hand got caught and I went for a ride. It wasn’t my fault that I had been injured, but I do take the responsibility of not going to college after high school, which would have hopefully placed me in safer environments.

Bowling for Columbine does create an environment for discussion and I think it's good for the RKBA crowd to discuss solutions towards individual liberty and individual responsibillity. If we do not, then the emotional rhetoric wins out due to the majority either lacking or too lazy for reasoning.

Plus, your local art theater might also sell beer.

The sad thing is that chances are that instead of introducing those students to a child gun safety course like NRA's Eddie the Eagle, they demonized firearms and probably do not even talk about the incident.

-Tommy

 

[PigPen]

Everyone's opinion should be heard. It's a basic and constitutionally guaranteed right of the United States. Even if you strongly disagree with their position, they are acknowledged to have the right to express their view and in so doing, attempt to persuade others. This applies to a long list of topics, no matter how repugnant. These include racism, gender bias, abortion (either way), religion, and the price of eggs in China, to name just a few.

Both sides of any issue have that right. When one side advocates the prohibition of the rights of the other side to free speech, they are endangering the rights of themselves and their descendents yet unborn. I personally feel that the most unrecognized example of narrow minded, bigoted, sanctimonious behavior afoot in this country today are the liberals who attempt to surpress the constitutionally guaranteed right of free speech by the opposition expressing support for racism, exclusive heterosexuality advocates, anti-abortionists, pro-gun folks, and other politically incorrect groups and individuals. They do so buy being "offended" or finding otherwise unacceptable, the expression of opposing notions in society. This coming from "liberals" who profess holding the moral high ground in defending individually guaranteed rights, is something I find disingenuous and intellectully bankrupt. Has anybody ever heard their labels like "redneck" and so forth. Who do you think fostered the use of this term and the myriad of others like it? Is it not those same people who find words like Krauts, chinks, rugheads, etc unacceptable, denigrating and offensive coming when from the right? Is this not hypocritical? The answer must be a resounding, Yes! It is hypocritical, narrow minded bigotry and certainly "un- Liberal" in the interpretaion of the other groups constitutional rights. I do not wish to become one of them by attempting to banish their right to express their views in any acceptable forum, though I disagree with those points of view.

I will not however, be donating money to further their cause or to encourage more of their ilk to do the same by purchasing a ticket to the,....ahem....."Documentary". Nor I wish to shine light on their efforts by further discussion and the inevitible drawing of attention to it.

I think I will simple ignore them until they go away unless the subject is raised by some one else.


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