BPS v WINGMASTER

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BPS at a local store, 20 ga., is $429
Wingmaster 20 ga. LT is $673 at wally world
Is the BPS a decent quality gun to purchase over the Wingmaster?
 
Quality is fine (BPS is from Miroku, Japan AFAIK).

Design is really different. Depends what you like.
 
My .02
I shoot a BPS 28" 12ga. I feel lot nicer looking, tigher in the foreend and bottom ejection is great. Make looking for you hulls a lot easier.
What I would do is try both of them out and slide the action.
 
The BPS is easily the same quality as a Wingmaster. If you like the feature set it is a great choice.
 
I think the BPS can be a tad on the odd-looking side, myself, depending on the stock on it. Also, the foreend sits farther out, so if you have short arms, it's less likely to fit well.

It's also not as convenient for load-single trapshooting.

However, the BPS won't get rain or dirt in it as easily with no big hole in the side, and the shells drop right in front of you, as SUBMOAS said. It's a nice design for the field if it fits, and top-quality.

Either gun will work. If it fits and you like it, buy it (either one).:)
 
If you want a gun that you will be proud of, BPS.

If you want a great hunting gun, get the Remington.

They both function great and are of decent quality. Put them on a table side by side. Look at the cosmetics of both. Then cycle the actions, compare the internal parts that are visible. Compare the finish of the stock, forearm, and other external parts. Look at the blueing, vent ribs and the rib supports. Compare the great care given by the BPS craftsmen in the total finished product.

I own neither of these guns but I invite you to make the above comparisons if you need to make a decision on one of them.

BPS is a beautifully finished gun. Inside and outside.
 
Every gun safe and closet in America should have a Wingmaster in it. Best pump gun ever made. Mine was made in 1978. Never a problem. Bazillions of rounds through it.

One of my hunting buddies has a BPS. He'd say the same great things about his gun. I'll say his bottom-eject has proven helpful many times when looking for a down grouse. You can always go back to where Mike was standing and start the search over from the beginning.
 
I have owned both. Besides the bottom ejection and tang safety, the big difference to me is balance. See which one seems to fit and swings better for you. Also wear shooting gloves with the BPS. The checkering in the forearm gets to making a bare hand pretty sore in short order. Clean, sharp, and hard on the unprotected hand after a few dozen quick pumps.
 
Thanks everyone for info.
Price is a consideration here.
Right, $250 can buy a lot of ammo.
I know Wingmaster is good gun, was interested if BPS was of good quality.
Browning does have a good name. Does actual quality of gun hold up to name.
 
My father has an old BPS, which is a nice, smooth gun- although, unlike with the Remington, it does not allow single loading via the chamber for trap or skeet-shooting. If you are a lefty, or think you will lend it to someone who is- get this gun, because it is truly ambidextrous. Having said that, a well broken in wingmaster- like my shooting buddy has- is a delight- I think as smooth as the BPS, in my opinion. Another thing to think about is the presence of aftermarket accessories- there are far more for the Remington than for the Browning.
 
I always felt the Brownings to be a step above the Remington in fit and finish. The BPS is is an Ithaca type shotgun with bottom ejection and a few additional nice features like a magazine cut off, gold trigger. Generally it will have nicer wood. For less money there's no question that the BPS is the better buy.
 
870 design doesn't need a magazine cutoff. You just depress the carrier. Works the same, with one less control. The 870 is a more intuitive design, but the Browning offers more protection from the elements. Pick your preference.

Wingmasters have gold triggers, too. Not a big plus, on any gun, IMO. First thing that wears off and looks shabby. Hard chrome would be nice, but everyone puts on gold. The only thing worn on the Superposed downstairs is the gold trigger. Looks like crap. My BT-99, same thing.

Wood seems the same to me. Hell, the wood on a BT-99, a far more expensive Browning, is nothing special unless you shell out extra. Fit and finish on higher-end Remingtons has looked quite good to me lately.

Upgraded versions are available from both Browning and Remington, with gold inlay, fancy walnut, extensive engraving, if you want them. But it's a pump gun. I wouldn't spend too much.

One major difference: the Wingmaster 20/26" is 3/4 lb. lighter. If you want a heavy gun, get a BPS. If you want a light gun, get an 870. If you like the BPS but want it in a lighter form, find an Ithaca (good luck).

Different folks with different needs might prefer heavier or lighter. But the 20 Gauge BPS weighs about the same as a 12 Gauge Wingmaster.
 
I shot both guns on tuesday night on the skeet field. The Wingmaster was not as smooth as my 28ga or 20ga BPS's, but I did like being able to drop a shell in the open port on the wingmaster.
 
It has been said that the BPS is an "Ithaca type shotgun" (the only thing about the two shotguns that is similar- other than the fact they are both pumps, of course- is the direction the empty shell travels. The lock-up is different and only the Browning has twin action bars and a tang safety); that the BPS has a magazine cut-off (the first production guns did but Browning did away with this feature on the BPS many years ago) and that the BPS is 3/4 pounds heavier than the Wingmaster (my 2007 Remington catalog lists the 20 ga. Wingmaster having a 26" barrel as weighing 6 3/4 pounds and the 2007 Browning catalog lists the BPS 20 ga. having a 26" barrel as weighing 7 pounds- a difference of 1/4 pound).
 
The magazine cut-off is back on two BPS models for 2007, the BPS Trap and the BPS Micro-Trap. The Micro-Trap might fit me very well, so I am going to look at it.
 
my 2007 Remington catalog lists the 20 ga. Wingmaster having a 26" barrel as weighing 6 3/4 pounds

That's a misprint.

The Wingmaster 20 with a 26" barrel has been rated 6 1/4 lb. ever since they started making the 20 gauge frame. Same with the Express. That's a pretty accurate number, too. Lift the two guns next to each other.

That said, some people WANT a heavier gun for recoil or swing weight.

The Wingmaster LC 12 Gauge with a 26" barrel is rated 7 lb., same as the 20 Gauge BPS. The BPS 20 will likely kick a good deal less than the 870 in 12, but it will be a bit slower to the shoulder and heavier at the end of the day than the 870 in 20. It's all in what you want.

The fact of the matter is that the BPS is a heavy gun, compared to other major-maker pumpguns currently on the market except for the portly Nova. Do with that what you will. The BPS is also a well-made shotgun, as are the other Japanese Brownings.

My Japanese BT-99, though it works great, has the subtle taint of mass-production about it, that the Belgian guns somehow lack. But so does any Remington, of course, and not so subtle! Wingmasters do get extra care, but at high extra cost for a gun that, frankly, won't do anything that the Express won't do for $400 less.

...so there I go, opining like a gun snob about Belgian vs. Japanese Brownings, but suggesting that an 870 Express is a perfectly adequate shotgun...

Well, those are my opinions, for what they're worth. I'm just comparing the guns in my safe, mostly bought used, or, in the case of the gorgeous Belgian Browning, borrowed. The Express isn't pretty, but it works, and after falling across an old barbed wire fence, the blueing in spots on my prettier polished Remmie isn't so pretty, either.:p But as a Browning and Remington owner, I'll have to say, the guns from both companies work quite well.

I'm just illustrating why it's hard to decide, or give really good one-size-fits-all advice, on these things.:)
 
Armed Bear: If the 2007 Remington catalog shows a "misprint" regarding the weight of the 20 ga. Wingmaster with a 26" barrel (6 3/4 pounds), then that same misprint is in the 2006, 2005, 2004 and 2003 editions of the Remington catalog (all list the shotgun in question as weighing 6 3/4 pounds). Of course, it's certainly possible that the same misprint has been repeated and never caught. I don't know; I've never actually weighed the gun. I'm just reporting what the "book" says. I will say that the "burden of the proof" is on those who dispute factory figures. Anybody got a scale? :confused:
 
I'm not disputing factory figures. I'm disputing the printed figures. The website lists, and has always listed, the weight as 6 1/4 lb. A 20 Gauge 1100 weighs 6 3/4 lb., and the 1100 typically does weigh 1/2 lb. more than an equivalent 870, across the board.

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model_870/model_870_wingmaster_specs.asp
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model_870/model_870_express_specs.asp

I have a battered catalog in my bathroom. I seem to remember that it lists the 28" gun as 6 1/2 lb. and the 26" gun as 6 3/4. I guess they never fixed it.:rolleyes:

Anyway, if you've tried one, you'll believe the 6 1/4 lb. number.:)
 
Well, of course, factory figures are printed in the catalog(s). Again, I'm not disputing whatever the facts are (it is entirely possible in the overall scheme of things that the Remington web site has it wrong and the catalogs are right); just reporting a possible anomaly. It is suspicious that the aforementioned catalogs show the 28" version of the 20 ga. Wingmaster to weigh less than the 26" version...:confused: :)
 
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