Brazilian 1908 Contract Mauser

[GunnyUSMC]

Last year I picked up this Brazilian 1908 Brazilian Mauser up last year. This makes mr third Mauser from south of raw border.


Last week I found out that Springfield Sporters had updated their website so I went to have a see at what they had. While poking around I saw that they had 1908 bayonets for $30 so, I ordered on.
I’m pretty happy with what I got. It’s in vert good shape with just a few light rust spots that cleaned up.



The scabbard matches the bayonet.




Now to find a proper sling.

 

[LoonWulf]

NICE!

 

[adcoch1]

That's a beaut, and the bayonet just sets it off. Very nice.

 

[boom boom]

I assume that being a good Marine, you know how to employ that bayonet to good effect. As I was associated with the zoomies, we never did bayonet training so I would not know which end to point at the enemy.

Hope your barrel is not too pitted or worn. The Brazilian Mauser 1908's and 1894's that I have come across have had pretty worn and pitted ones.

 

[22250Rem]

Hey; I've got one of those in one of the safes... Haven't seen one for sale around here in the last couple years or so. Now I gotta drag it out of the safe and I'll post some pics as soon as I can get some outdoor shots ( better natural light). They are nice rifles, and yours looks pretty decent; got mine in the early 1990's when they were still seen on gun show tables pretty regularly. You got a very good deal on that bayonet and matching numbered scabbard. Haven't seen any of those in years and wasn't really looking but back in January at the Rochester NY gun show I came across a guy who had several on his table. I figured might as well get one because it's neat to have the proper bayonet for an old military rifle like that. After seeing your $30. bayonet with matching number scabbard I'm embarrassed to admit I shelled out $65. for mine and the scabbard is un-numbered. I hesitated on buying it but figured I might as well bite the bullet now and get it because the price will only increase if I don't. As I was handing over the money I was joking with the guy that I guess the days of $25. bayonets are over. Oh well; at least my 1908 Brazilian has a proper bayonet and scabbard. Should have picked one up 20-something years ago when I got the rifle, Here's the bayonet, anyway....Rifle pics soon....

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

I had an interesting '08 Brazilian carbine- Brazilian crest, and Star of David, parkerized and chambered in 8mm.
I can only deduce that the Israelis bought it, shortened it to K98 length, then rechambered it to match their captured Arab Mausers as the Brazilians used 7mm and .30-06, but never 8 as far as I could determine.

Once shot 5 rounds rapid fire with that rifle at 50yd, stripped in 5 more and cycled those through as fast as I could. Went downrange and found two ragged 5 shot holes at 12 and 2 o'clock about an inch from the center. Wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of a rifle platoon's worth of Mausers!

Nice rifle, Gunny!

 

[GunnyUSMC]

Hey; I've got one of those in one of the safes... Haven't seen one for sale around here in the last couple years or so. Now I gotta drag it out of the safe and I'll post some pics as soon as I can get some outdoor shots ( better natural light). They are nice rifles, and yours looks pretty decent; got mine in the early 1990's when they were still seen on gun show tables pretty regularly. You got a very good deal on that bayonet and matching numbered scabbard. Haven't seen any of those in years and wasn't really looking but back in January at the Rochester NY gun show I came across a guy who had several on his table. I figured might as well get one because it's neat to have the proper bayonet for an old military rifle like that. After seeing your $30. bayonet with matching number scabbard I'm embarrassed to admit I shelled out $65. for mine and the scabbard is un-numbered. I hesitated on buying it but figured I might as well bite the bullet now and get it because the price will only increase if I don't. As I was handing over the money I was joking with the guy that I guess the days of $25. bayonets are over. Oh well; at least my 1908 Brazilian has a proper bayonet and scabbard. Should have picked one up 20-something years ago when I got the rifle, Here's the bayonet, anyway....Rifle pics soon....View attachment 782097 View attachment 782100 View attachment 782101 View attachment 782103 View attachment 782104

That’s a very clean bayonet. I should have ordered two. I have another 1908 that has a nice crest, but needs some cleaning and a bolt. I picked it up a few years ago as a project gun for $50. I should start looking for a bolt for it.

 

[kBob]

Nightlord,

I am betting that the Star of David was on the wood somewhere?

Back before the NAZIs came to power and before even WWI that was a brand mark for DWM.

On the other hand yeah K98k length and rebarreling sounds interesting.

-kBob

 

[kBob]

Gunny,

Mine has a white parade sling. There is a little keeper that allows the excess sling loop to be hooked into that little hook on the bayonet/forestock band.

I will look for pictures or my old Sony, but mean time Momma is knocking around in the kitchen AND I SMELL SPAM FRYING!!!!!

'bye.

-kBob

 

[bannockburn]

Gunny

Nice Brazilian Mauser and the bayonet to go with it!

 

[boom boom]

I had an interesting '08 Brazilian carbine- Brazilian crest, and Star of David, parkerized and chambered in 8mm.
I can only deduce that the Israelis bought it, shortened it to K98 length, then rechambered it to match their captured Arab Mausers as the Brazilians used 7mm and .30-06, but never 8 as far as I could determine.

Once shot 5 rounds rapid fire with that rifle at 50yd, stripped in 5 more and cycled those through as fast as I could. Went downrange and found two ragged 5 shot holes at 12 and 2 o'clock about an inch from the center. Wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of a rifle platoon's worth of Mausers!

Nice rifle, Gunny!

No, the original owners of Ludwig Loews Berlin mfg firm were Jewish. It is a star of david stamp marking faith of owner(s). Believe practice ended sometime after DWM became the overall consolidated company for Loews family. I have only seen these on export models of Mausers.

 

[entropy]

Good looking Brazilian Mauser, Gunny!

 

[GunnyUSMC]

Liberty Tree Collictors has original slings in stock, but they are higher then a cats axx in a bucket of water. They want $140 for them. I paid not much more for the rifle.
https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=8062


Mountain State Supply has reproduction slings for $10. I could distress it to match the rifle. I have the proper hardware for the sling.

 

[22250Rem]

As promised, here's pix of the '08 Brazilian. It was produced by DWM. It's all matching, the bore isn't very pitted at all but the rifling will tell you that its had a lot of rounds through it. Still shoots real good, though, and I even run some 7x57 handloads through it occasionally. It's had over a thousand rounds of 1937 vintage Kynoch 140 gr. 7x57 put through it since the early 90's when I picked up two spam cans of it, (still got a bunch of it ). As a concession to aging eyesight and in the name of accuracy it now has a tiny bit of orange paint on the rear of the front sight blade; other than that it's just the way I got it. Was web surfing the Numrich web site and they have complete bolts for 1908 Brazilians for $105.80, or stripped for $45.85. Thanks for the sling info......... Liberty tree originals make me wonder if I want one all that bad. Maybe that repro could be made to look more original to the rifle. Gotta love those old Mausers, as they are a lot of fun to shoot and are a joy to manipulate with the way they feed and eject so smoothly. It's really cool to be able to shoot historical stuff and Mod. 98 Mausers are one of the major military rifle patterns of the twentieth century.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

No, the original owners of Ludwig Loews Berlin mfg firm were Jewish. It is a star of david stamp marking faith of owner(s). Believe practice ended sometime after DWM became the overall consolidated company for Loews family. I have only seen these on export models of Mausers.

Hmmmm....interesting. Perhaps, though it still wouldn't explain the caliber change. I guess it could have been a gunsmith conversion, but it sure looked arsenal quality. It was a large-ring 98, DWM marked, straight bolt handle with matching numbers, which had the big stylised "B" acceptance marks, Brazilian crest and fairly large Star of David just below and to the left of the crest.

I've never seen a Loewe marked Mauser with a Star, but then many of those were Turk contract '93s and '95s- probably wouldn't have been prudent. I definitely have seen Israeli captured Persian Mausers that were remarked with the Star. And I'm pretty sure Israel acquired Mausers from various South American sources during the arms embargo.

Either scenario seems plausible to me. The gun is gone now, traded in on an FR8 so I could afford to shoot it, but a great rifle nonetheless.

 

[lionking]

Contract mausers can become a addiction, one that I want still if I can find a very nice one, is a Chilean 1935 carbine. I just watched a nice Steyr model 1912 with matching serial numbers end bidding at $355 and wish I had bid.

 

[boom boom]

Hmmmm....interesting. Perhaps, though it still wouldn't explain the caliber change. I guess it could have been a gunsmith conversion, but it sure looked arsenal quality. It was a large-ring 98, DWM marked, straight bolt handle with matching numbers, which had the big stylised "B" acceptance marks, Brazilian crest and fairly large Star of David just below and to the left of the crest.

I've never seen a Loewe marked Mauser with a Star, but then many of those were Turk contract '93s and '95s- probably wouldn't have been prudent. I definitely have seen Israeli captured Persian Mausers that were remarked with the Star. And I'm pretty sure Israel acquired Mausers from various South American sources during the arms embargo.

Either scenario seems plausible to me. The gun is gone now, traded in on an FR8 so I could afford to shoot it, but a great rifle nonetheless.

Was it on the receiver or was it a stock cartouche? Here is a stock marked with it on a 1908 model, https://www.ebay.com/itm/1908-Germa...y-Ludwig-Loewe-Co-Star-Of-David-/112790119444

Here is both on a 1895 Chilean Mauser http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/South American Mausers/DSC01255-01.jpg

It is not impossible that the Israelis bought a Brazilian Mauser on the open market and converted it to 8mm during their early years as I understand that there was a severe shortage of firearms and they attempted to acquire what they could on the open market. I've never collected this subtype but in the runup to the 1948 war, I understand that the Israelis used everything they could buy, make from parts, or capture. Had to make logistics horrible.

Their 7.62 Nato type Mauser conversions have the old receiver crests scrubbed or peened with new receiver crests or in some case stampings. Some are just marked 7.62.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Contract mausers can become a addiction, one that I want still if I can find a very nice one, is a Chilean 1935 carbine. I just watched a nice Steyr model 1912 with matching serial numbers end bidding at $355 and wish I had bid.

You would gave gone gaga over the minty '91 Argentine Engineer's Carbine I just saw at the LGS! He still has the cleanest '93 Turk I've ever seen and a very nice Siamese straight handle with the sliding dust cover too......

My Dad has a bunch of South American Mausers, and I do enjoy playing with them, but it's tough to beat my FR8 for a shooter.

 

[lionking]

You would gave gone gaga over the minty '91 Argentine Engineer's Carbine I just saw at the LGS! He still has the cleanest '93 Turk I've ever seen and a very nice Siamese straight handle with the sliding dust cover too......

My Dad has a bunch of South American Mausers, and I do enjoy playing with them, but it's tough to beat my FR8 for a shooter.

what is LGS?

 

[adcoch1]

what is LGS?

Local Gun Store

 

[Sergei Mosin]

I think my Spanish Model 93 has the Ludwig Loewe Star of David.