Breaking news -- California recall vote STOPPED

[Waitone]

Buzz, you are correct in the implications of my statement. I unfortunately did not provide my entire thought process, just the endpoint. But I still have to ask. What is a citizenry to do when one group of power mongers uses and abuses a system admittedly out of whack to gain power? What are the alternative to stop it? Fight in courts? Fight during elections? Fight in the segment of the media willing to publicize the citizenry's views? Enact the doomsday provision of the constitution? Create a constitutional crisis by having the legislature write legislation which invalidates Marbury v Madison? Force the senate to blow apart one political party's filibuster of nominees?

Notice several of the questions I asked above involve the opposition party engaging in political combat. . . . .something which is studiously avoided. Bottom line? When will spinelessrepublicans dress out for the game?

 

[buzz_knox]

My personal philosophy is to kick them in the teeth by using the opposite strategy. Rather than publicly striving for power, expose their craven nature, along with court battles whose basic (or at least public) goal is to preclude such illegal seizures of power.

Such tactics would include:

1. calling for nat'l leaders to stay out of it.
2. reminding those leaders that the people voted for the recall so why are their wishes being totally ignored for political gain.
3. court battles focusing on the voter fraud inherent in giving illegals drivers' license in a motor voter state
4. talk shows out the wazoo emphasizing how one party is supporting the inherent right of self-determination by the people of CA, while the other is constantly insulting the people's will and intelligence ( a lovely catch phrase about "ruling elite" would be helpful here).

Basically, use their own tactics while maintaining moral high ground. Can it be done? Yes, but only if skillfully. The fear of a backfire (i.e. screw up) is why it's not being done.

 

[seeker_two]

It AMAZES me daily that Sacramento isn't in flames & the CA National Guard guarding the 9th Circuit Building yet...

Must be all that New Age karma...

 

[buzz_knox]

The full panel of the Ninth Circuit will review the decision to delay the recall. There is at least one intelligent person on the panel, so maybe something will show through.

 

[KC]

"There is at least one intelligent person on the panel, so maybe something will show through."

Wow, and I thought *I* was an optimist.

 

[buzz_knox]

I was a permanent pessimist until I realized it just wasn't working.

There was one judge who, notwithstanding his political bent, ripped the Ninth's decision on RKBA and showed some intelligence in doing so.

 

[Hand_Rifle_Guy]

AAGH!

My brain! They're sandblasting my brain! Coherent function erodes! Sanity flees in the face of overwhelming outrage and despair!

Somebody shoot me to put me out of your misery, before I snap and loudly pontificate on the virtues of voting from the rooftops!

Gaahd! Woe! Alas! The quagmire expands and deepens! Gather the pithforks and torches. Fire up the tubs of tar, and slit the pillows! These foolish legiscritters have smeared my dignity and intelligence through their dictatorial cesspool once again!

Who elects these power-hungry socialists? Can there be THAT MANY totally friggin' ididotic mouth-breathers in this state?

The motivations of that guy who suicidally drove his truck-load of condensed milk into the capital building are starting to make a great deal of sense. I am starting to identify with the oppressed Palestinian population. I don't even require promises of legions of virgins in my hareem to inspire the most outrageous ideas for extreme solutions.

Ahh, the idiocy. Pity me, but watch the show closely, that you may learn from my suffering, and thus avoid my fate. Hold us up as a negative example, and pound home the message that "it CAN happen here!"

The murk of the uncollapsed probability that is the future clears with dismaying rapidity. Mark my words, civil war is in the offing. Now it is not "if", it is merely "when", and when is right soon. Legiscritters are soon to be an endangered species 'round these parts.

Power inevitably winds up in the hands of those who want it. Why can't we simply pick power-addicts with some form of reasonable connection to the rule of law? There are ample choices available.

But no. Never in my stupid state. That would make sense, wouldn't it? Can't have THAT in Cal-La-La-Land.

They have made me into a rat, wishing to desert this sinking monstrosity. I am unwelcome everywhere as a result, for no-one in their right mind wants an influx of verminicious rats bearing plague-ridden socialistic idealisms. I watch, aghast, unable to credit my own perceptions as I am painted with the colors of un-Americanism. Staunch denials are worth nothing to the ears and judgement of the credible, for this state has no history of truthfulness.

Whether we actually bear such contagion or not, smart folks in other states would be well-advised to jab us back into our den of ill-health at spear's-length rather than allow the quarantine to be breached. The risk is too great.

God help us. Doom cometh. Our souls, forfeit. Repent! The end is nigh!


[/manic-psychotic rant]


:banghead:

 

[Waitone]

Basically, use their own tactics while maintaining moral high ground. Can it be done? Yes, but only if skillfully. The fear of a backfire (i.e. screw up) is why it's not being done.

Mostly true. The problem is the spinelessrepublican party has no evidence of leadership coming from the party Mt. Olympus. I do not understand how any single individual, much less President, can at the same time be a strong leader when it comes to defeating islamofascist terrorists yet be an pathetic imitation of a leader on domestic issues. Yes, it may be a good idea for national spinelessrepublicans to keep in the weeds in Cali, but where is the leadership? Where will the loyal troops rally? Who or what will they look to for a unifying strategy?

I don't think fear of screwing up is the driving factor. I think an absence of leadership is more the story. If it wasn't for 9-11, Dubya would go down in history as one of the weakest president's we've endured; weaker than Clinton. Something special is unfolding in Cali in spite of the lack of national leadership. I'm optimistic and enthusiastic.

 

[Silver Bullet]

Are we postponing the recall until CA can put Diebold technology in all polling places?

Nope, they're postponing the recall until after all the guns in California are confiscated; then they'll announce that all future elections are cancelled also.

 

[longeyes]

Sovereignty, citizenship, suffrage--all are falling by the wayside.
And it's happening even faster than I, no optimist, predicted.

With this ruling there is no way ANY legitimate election can take
place. That includes the '04 Presidential election. You'd need absolutely
uniform voting methods in all U.S. precincts to guarantee "fairness."

In fact, you'll need more, my friends. You will need "special ed"
for voters, people hired (at gov't expense) to drive those who
can't handle the push-pin machines to the voting place, translate the
ballot for them, and guide their hands to the "right" candidate.

 

[Hot brass]

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I wish I could move from this @R%^*$$^*() state

 

[KC]

"I wish I could move from this @R%^*$$^*() state"

Why move? (Not that I dont understand and sympathize with that thinking.) Wouldn't you rather spend some time trying to correct the problem (and it spreads more) before you pull out? Sooner or later, this BS is going to be everywhere.

 

[Moparmike]

Ok, last I heard yesterday (9/15/03) on Communist News Network is that it was because the "Chad" situation might come up again. They were pressing the issue so well that it almost had me convinced that it was the *only* reason they were doing it.

Any updates? I luckily have avoided all news but that on Isabel.

 

[Cameron]

How's this for a conspiracy theory?

Heard this on the radio this morning.

If the election is postponed until March 2004, this would violate the state constitution that requires a recall election to be held within 60 days of the petitions being certified. On Oct 8, the ACLU and G. Davis will try to have the recall halted because it wasn't held in the time period required by the state constitution. Theoretically, they could force recall suporters to start the whole process over from the beginning.

It sounds far-fetched, but nothing would surprise me.

 

[Ed N.]

I must be missing something. As I understand it, only a handful of precincts are using the punch cards. Why is it so impossible to provide them with acceptable machines during the next three weeks? Heck, I'm sure Florida would be happy to lend them a few machines.

 

[longeyes]

"I must be missing something. As I understand it, only a handful of precincts are
using the punch cards. Why is it so impossible to provide them with acceptable
machines during the next three weeks? Heck, I'm sure Florida would be happy to
lend them a few machines."

It's more than a handful but you are correct that "the problem" could
be resolved. Of course to resolve it one would have to be coming
from a place of good faith and that is exactly what is increasingly
lacking in all political dealings in this country. The Left is
sufficiently emboldened to flaunt their defiance of Constitutional
principles. They are daring the Right to fight back. Unfortunately,
as one of our more stalwart posters has repeatedly said, and I agree
totally, the Republican Party is utterly feckless and spineless. One
begins to suspect, alas, that this spinelessness may be more complicity
than cowardice.

If there are grounds for optimism they lie in the fact that repeated slaps
in the face can sometimes be bracing and apt to wake up even the
soundest sleeper. The anger level among The People is rising along
with the awareness level.

One thing we can do is use the courts in the same provocative way already
mastered by the Left. Judicial Watch is one organization that seems
to me to be trying to do just that (judicialwatch.org). We need a
para-version of the ACLU and why one doesn't already exist I have no
idea.

 

[Ed N.]

Y'know, I have this wildly optimistic dream that, when the entire 9th circuit hears this, one of the recall attorneys will quote judge Kozinski:

"The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed—where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees."

It'll never happen. But I can dream, can't I?

 

[Sergeant Bob]

They are daring the Right to fight back. Unfortunately,as one of our more stalwart posters has repeatedly said, and I agree
totally, the Republican Party is utterly feckless and spineless. One
begins to suspect, alas, that this spinelessness may be more complicity
than cowardice.

People only fight for what is important to them, and it's becoming painfully obvious the Republican't Party doesn't find their so called principles worth fighting for.

 

[TheOtherOne]

I'm wondering when people are going to wake up and stop voting. Think of the tremendous cost savings if the judges could decide every election for us.

Well said. Sometimes I wonder why we bother. Welcome to America.


It reminds of some county vote we had here a few years ago when I first started voting. There was a vote to add flouride to our water. It passed and then someone somewhere decided to sue to stop it. Even though I voted against it because I didn't want the government poisoning our water, I was so pissed when I heard about the suit. That's when I discovered that democracy was a sham.

 

[seeker_two]

People only fight for what is important to them, and it's becoming painfully obvious the Republican't Party doesn't find their so called principles worth fighting for.

!!!!AMEN & AMEN!!!!

 

[Nightfall]

The 9th Circus Court will respect Constitutions, the will of the people, and elections the day pigs fly.

Then again, living in a rural area with Isabel coming, it might not be that soon.

 

[Silver Bullet]

Batten down your hatches and keep your ammo dry.