Breaking News: Gray Wolves removed from the Federal Endangered Species List!!!

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It's about time. I'm sure the ranchers in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming agree with me.

Two of my siblings live in Minnesota and I have seen an alpha male in the Boundary Waters area that had to weigh about 170 lbs. That's about the size of the biggest deer I've ever killed. There are more wolves in Minnesota than in the rest of the lower 48 combined.
 
Great news. Every time a species comes off the ESA list not because it went extinct should be celebrated, and I'm talking the Cubs winning the world series level celebration. Means the system is working and (to those who will likely complain about this) the world is healing.
 
How is it that Feds and MN DNR ended their insanity in 2020?

The only thing more crazy is if Trump/Pence carry MN on Tuesday. Stay tuned!
 
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I wonder if the moose population now makes an incredible comeback......
 
There are more wolves in Minnesota than in the rest of the lower 48 combined.

True. I have lost count on how many I have seen over the years...

Two of my siblings live in Minnesota and I have seen an alpha male in the Boundary Waters area that had to weigh about 170 lbs.

Maybeeeee, but I would believe a buck twenty or so.

The only thing more crazy is if Trump/Pence carry MN on Tuesday. Stay tuned!

There's hope! At least up here.

I guess all those guys that gut shoot them, and let them run off, can now get legal!

With a license.

I wonder if the moose population now makes an incredible comeback......

It would not be incredible, but would help if we can eliminate some of the timberdawgs.
Moose also suffer from tick born diseases and a brainworm disease.from whitetail deer, plus climate change enacted by that guy who created the world wide web...Al what's his name. (Gore?)

As a post note, I am delighted that I have seen more moose this autumn than in the past five or more years! But then again, our Winter started almost two weeks ago....Moose do not like warm weather!
 
True. I have lost count on how many I have seen over the years...



Maybeeeee, but I would believe a buck twenty or so.



There's hope! At least up here.



With a license.



It would not be incredible, but would help if we can eliminate some of the timberdawgs.
Moose also suffer from tick born diseases and a brainworm disease.from whitetail deer, plus climate change enacted by that guy who created the world wide web...Al what's his name. (Gore?)

As a post note, I am delighted that I have seen more moose this autumn than in the past five or more years! But then again, our Winter started almost two weeks ago....Moose do not like warm weather!


The only plausible one of those answers to moose death would be diseases from deer because the moose on Isle Royale flourished so well that they overpopulated the island.

Are ticks, brainworms, parasites, and climate change not on Isle Royale or is it some type of utopia?
 
In my oppinion the only good wolf is a dead wolf.

In my opinion, wolves, like any other predator/game animal needs to have it's population controlled because of available food, habitat and human interactions. Wolves are the sign of a healthy ecosystem and contribute more to the local environment than they take. In many areas of the northern Mid-west they are a boon to the tourism industry. They are an important part of our ecosystem and to our heritage.
 
I'm not into wolves completly wipeing out 95% of the deer and elk population combined with the flouiahing cougar population.
Most people do not have these predators and have no idea the damage they do to the area they prey upon.
 
In my opinion, wolves, like any other predator/game animal needs to have it's population controlled because of available food, habitat and human interactions. Wolves are the sign of a healthy ecosystem and contribute more to the local environment than they take. In many areas of the northern Mid-west they are a boon to the tourism industry. They are an important part of our ecosystem and to our heritage.
Yet our ancestors did their very best to eradicate them. Perhaps they knew something we have forgotten?
 
After the wolf was gone, "sport hunters" replaced them. Now we are learning there's no room for both. The brilliant brainstorm of reintroducing them in Washington State resulted in a huge drop in deer and elk populations, and the eradication of the only native Caribou herd in the lower 48, which were also a unique subspecies called Mountain Caribou. All gone. Great balance.
 
After the wolf was gone, "sport hunters" replaced them. Now we are learning there's no room for both. The brilliant brainstorm of reintroducing them in Washington State resulted in a huge drop in deer and elk populations, and the eradication of the only native Caribou herd in the lower 48, which were also a unique subspecies called Mountain Caribou. All gone. Great balance.
I agree with a previous comment. If there’s a “huge drop” in population the population was probably too large to begin with.
 
No, Washington state never had a too large population of Elk. The Caribou herd certainly was not too large. They actually air-lifted the last two or three survivors out and have them in captivity somewhere, trying to preserve the DNA. Anyone who actually knows wolves, and has lived with them know that wolves will wipe out deer and elk populations, and then move on to a new area. They don't find a balance and stop killing and eating. They don't "balance" anything. Being able to hunt them will help, but really reintroduction was an insane idea. It was also shrouded in lies and misinformation, and secrecy. Why? I'm just wondering how the game departments will be funded when most people don't bother to buy the very expensive hunting licenses, due to lack of game. ? They certainly can't tax the wolves. Why would/do we give our game and wildlife management over to one species? If I were into conspiracy I might think there's a anti-hunting agenda being played out, but alas, I shall not go there! :)
 
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Yet our ancestors did their very best to eradicate them. Perhaps they knew something we have forgotten?

......and our ancestors tried to eradicate the native American population too. What did they know and we forgot about that? They also introduced numerous invasive species to "enhance" their hunting experience and we have been paying for it ever since. It was not that they knew anything better than we do now, just the opposite. They knew nothing of game management, ecosystems or ecology. At least some of us do now.

After the wolf was gone, "sport hunters" replaced them. Now we are learning there's no room for both .
Of course there is room for both. There was sport hunting long before the wolves were gone and so called sport hunting has made many more species extinct in the world than wolves. It's the selfish greed of sport hunters that make for so called "no room". Hunters need to get real, need to get informed and need to understand they are not the only ones that enjoy and support the outdoors. We hunters have to realize we are a minority in most of the lower 48 and need to share the outdoor experience with folks that understand the environment.

Anyone who actually knows wolves, and has lived with them know that wolves will wipe out deer and elk populations, and then move on to a new area. They don't find a balance and stop killing and eating. They don't "balance" anything. Being able to hunt them will help, but really reintroduction was an insane idea. It was also shrouded in lies and misinformation, and secrecy. Why? I'm just wondering how the game departments will be funded when most people don't bother to buy the very expensive hunting licenses, due to lack of game. ? They certainly can't tax the wolves. Why would/do we give our game and wildlife management over to one species? If I were into conspiracy I might think there's a anti-hunting agenda being played out, but alas, I shall not go there! :)

I have lived with wolves from before they were ever reintroduced out west. They never were reintroduced here in the Midwest, they repopulated themselves. Still, in my state of Wisconsin, while many unsuccessful deer hunters want to blame the wolves for their failure, we have too many deer per square mile for the habitat to support. Supposedly, that's why our game managers introduced deer ticks and CWD to our deer herd.:rofl: Yep, more ridiculous tin foil hat conspiracy theories.:confused:

As I said before, wolf populations need to be controlled. To protect their prey species from over depredation, and to reduce negative wolf/human interactions. The easiest way to do this is by hunting them. Hunting them instills a fear of man that makes them more remote from normal human habitation. But the same goes for deer. Ain't no one starving in the lower 48 that can afford a deer rifle and all the other expense that goes with it. The whole idea of hunting large game is for the sport, not out of sustenance. Yet many "sport" hunters seem to not want a challenge in the sport, they just want to kill something, quickly and easily. Kinda why baiting, long range weapons and high fences have become so popular. Funny how folks that want deer and other large game in artificially inflated numbers so they can shoot one easily, can't seem to get over a wolf having one once in a while. Maybe they need to take a lesson from the wolves and learn to hunt.
 
It's had to hunt game that is not there because of the over establihed wolf packs.

Yes it is. That's why wolf numbers need to be controlled. But controlled wolf numbers mean a more healthy deer herd and a better overall ecosystem, while making the hunt only a tad bit more challenging. Isn't sport hunting all about the challenge, or is it just about bragging rights on the Monday after opening day? How you answer that question determines the type of hunter(or shooter) you are.
 
Hey buck, all that wolf loving you have given here is pretty laughable after what I've seen wolves do!

They are killing machines, that kill for sport, there's NO question about that in my mind, and after seeing them do that for MYSELF, I have no use for them!

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Wolves are a very divisive animal. People either love them or hate them. Both this thread, and the other wolf thread I closed, had little to anything to do with actual hunting and management of wolves. They appear to be focused on either praising or whining about the desicion. Either way, advocating for illegal and unethical actions like gut shooting is not something we are going to entertain on THR. Nor are we going to sit around and whine and complain. Don't like it, then be part of the change. Legally. We are done here.
 
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