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Just imagine how many subscription cancellations they have received since that article went public. That hits them where it hurts the worst, and the corporate boffins are very sensitive about their money.
donato said:Herrwalther, I must disagree with you on the requirement (much less pay for) to have a permit. That is an infringement of the right to keep and bear arms - some people can't afford the permit. Now, the 2nd Amendment does not address whether we have unrestricted rights as far as how we may bear them. For example, what says that a law can't be passed that requires all bearers of handguns to carry them concealed?
... true absolutism would mean allowing a 15 year old who had been convicted of murder and was on psychoactive, illegal drugs and diagnosed with acute schizophrenia to buy and carry to school a belt-fed machine gun. Or a known international terrorist to board an airplane with a loaded gun. For those who think that is protected by the second amendment, you are a true absolutist. For the rest of us, we are doing some kind of line drawing. ...
"we're sorry because this article doesn't reflect our shared principles and values at the magazine."
Okay... wait.From the Article:
Dick Metcalf's Backstop column in the December issue has aroused unprecedented controversy.
First let me say this. I don't care about other countries. My worries are for my Country.I staunchly do not agree with the right to defense is "god given" (I'm Atheist) or that all people, regardless of any status, should have open legality to carry firearms. I won't start a theology discussion on here in regards to 2A so I won't go there. The Bill of Rights is an outline of Rights the people have that the government cannot reasonably take away. There are countries where self-defense is not allowed. In certain Muslim countries, if a woman is raped, it is she who is punished and not the rapist. If she tries to defend herself, she can possibly be put to death. And not everyone here in the US should carry firearms. Say for example Zimmerman was guilty of 1st or 2nd degree murder in the shooting of Trayvon Martin. Would you want, after spending 20 years in prison for him to be handed his firearm back that he used to commit the crime? If Timothy McVeigh was not sentenced to death and spent 25 years in prison instead, would you be okay with him walking into his local Sheriff office or gun store so he can carry? Do you want an illegal alien who is a fugitive from Mexico coming to our country and legally being able to carry a firearm? I know I wouldn't
rcmodel said:With the current crop of 20-something whack-jobs and gang-bangers with no parents, no morals, and no scruples?
Maybe it is time for certain limits on free access to firearms without further background checks & at least some mental health reporting!!
Now as for your Zimmerman question. If one serves there time, repays society for their crime and completes all requirements upon and after their release then I see no reason to not return the full rights of citizenship to them and that means their Second Amendment Rights.
I tend to be on the "uncompromising" side
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Now as for your Zimmerman question. If one serves there time, repays society for their crime and completes all requirements upon and after their release then I see no reason to not return the full rights of citizenship to them and that means their Second Amendment Rights.
Interesting, since we have the worst recidivism rate in the world..
But Zimmerman wasn't guilty, he was found innocent by a jury of his peers therefore he is innocent. Removing Travon Martin from your sentence and saying if he committed actual murder, yes after he served his time I am ok with him having the ability to defend himself, home and family. If he cannot be trusted with a firearm then why is he free? Your issue here is with his mandatory minimum sentence, not the 2nd Amendment, and many agree with me.I staunchly do not agree with the right to defense is "god given" (I'm Atheist) or that all people, regardless of any status, should have open legality to carry firearms. I won't start a theology discussion on here in regards to 2A so I won't go there. The Bill of Rights is an outline of Rights the people have that the government cannot reasonably take away. There are countries where self-defense is not allowed. In certain Muslim countries, if a woman is raped, it is she who is punished and not the rapist. If she tries to defend herself, she can possibly be put to death. And not everyone here in the US should carry firearms. Say for example Zimmerman was guilty of 1st or 2nd degree murder in the shooting of Trayvon Martin. Would you want, after spending 20 years in prison for him to be handed his firearm back that he used to commit the crime? If Timothy McVeigh was not sentenced to death and spent 25 years in prison instead, would you be okay with him walking into his local Sheriff office or gun store so he can carry? Do you want an illegal alien who is a fugitive from Mexico coming to our country and legally being able to carry a firearm? I know I wouldn't