Was in the gun store the other day and saw used (barely) 28 ga. Browning Model 12. Looks like a copy of the Winchester Model 12. Didn't know Browning made one. It is in perfect condition, 26" barrel, Mod choke, vent rib, asking $650. Anyone familiar with this SG? I'm thinking of it for a fun clays gun (I already have a 12 ga. Citori XT Trap).
Browning model 12 28 ga.
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Great Gun !!
Granted it is not a Model 12 still darn close.
FWIW the last Model 12 in 28 ga I handled was in Tulsa. $4800.00
Larry was there.
Granted it is not a Model 12 still darn close.
FWIW the last Model 12 in 28 ga I handled was in Tulsa. $4800.00
Larry was there.
These guns were made early 90's by Miroku in Japan mostly for Browning although a few were done up for Winchester. They came in two grades, a plain version and one with nicer wood and gold inlays.
I owned one of the higher-grade Winchester marked guns in 20 gauge. It was very pretty but not as nice as an original Model 12. These guns have a trigger disconnector which means they cannot be slam fired like the old Model 12. I couldn't shoot mine well due to short stock dimensions and a 7lb. trigger pull so it was traded off.
They are more appealing in 28 gauge (but then what gun isn't
). An original Model 12 in 28 gauge is going to be very spendy due to their rarity. If you like the Model 12 and the 28 gauge then the Browning is a good option and would be fun for clay targets. Just check the trigger pull before you buy. If you can live with it then it sounds like a good deal.
I'd still rather have a 28 gauge Wingmaster.
I owned one of the higher-grade Winchester marked guns in 20 gauge. It was very pretty but not as nice as an original Model 12. These guns have a trigger disconnector which means they cannot be slam fired like the old Model 12. I couldn't shoot mine well due to short stock dimensions and a 7lb. trigger pull so it was traded off.
They are more appealing in 28 gauge (but then what gun isn't
). An original Model 12 in 28 gauge is going to be very spendy due to their rarity. If you like the Model 12 and the 28 gauge then the Browning is a good option and would be fun for clay targets. Just check the trigger pull before you buy. If you can live with it then it sounds like a good deal.I'd still rather have a 28 gauge Wingmaster.
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Agree.
Wingmaster will get used and though cared for, will get used. It will get scratched and character marks.
Browning, well Browning does do a great wood to metal fit, and finishes out the blue and wood really nice.
Paul mentioned the trigger and disconnect, true. Folks also were "afraid" to used them, and get "character". Folks bought these mostly for simply having a "Model 12" in 28 ga, but could not find or afford one as theoriginal M12 in 28 is pricey.
Some were bought for kids/ grandkids.
Oh some did see hard use, mostly folks that had the real deal and in order to preserve the original - used the Browning version.
Last Wingmaster in 28 ga I saw, not as nice a Larry's - went for $550 locally.
These are not coming down in value.
870 Express in 28 ga are hard to find on shelves, and most are having to be ordered.
Folks are getting these, tweaking the fit, and slicking up - getting some hard use. I know of one using slugs from Ballistic Products in 28 ga - already taken deer on the property in past seasons. Not to mention all sorts of clay and small game.
Thanks for the replys. If it is no better than a 28 ga. 870 Wingmaster for the same price, I think I would rather have the option of choke tubes on the WM than a fixed choke on the Browning. The one I saw must have been a grade I as it had nice, but not exceptional wood.
Tom Held
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There was a 28 gauge, model 12 real Winchester, with a solid rib at the Bauer Gun Auction in Illinois a couple of weeks ago. The only one I have every seen. I talked to a local Md guy who is a collector. He thought the gun would sell for 6-7 thousand. It went for $10,100! The Browning version is starting to look better. I have a Browning 20 ga Model 12 and it's a very nice handling gun.
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I thought $650 was a touch high at first, but I suppose the price of everything has gone up. JT
www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976527168.htm
28 ga. Model 12 Pigeon Skeet - Custom Engraved - $15,000
www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976527168.htm
28 ga. Model 12 Pigeon Skeet - Custom Engraved - $15,000
Has anyone had any experience with a Browning BPS in 28 ga.? After thinking about it, I remember most smaller gauge Remingtons usually don't fit me well (LOP too short, comb not high enough). A BPS can be had for less than $500. Thanks!
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Tom Held,
Tulsa Gun Show, April of 2005.
Larry was Looking for a 28 ga Wingmaster. I must have handled evey 28 ga no matter make, model or platform in the place - at least once.
Larry, being shorter with shorter legs was having a tough time keeping up.
Shows tend to take "spurts" - meaning some shows just seem to have a lot of certaing make, models some shows than others.
2005, had oodles of Model 27s and other Older S&W revolvers and Older Gov't Model of 1911 and USGI and Colt parts.
Model 42s - I must have seen three dozen
Model 12s, Numerous 12 and 20 ga, but I only spied one 28 ga. $4800.00 and Just could not afford it.
This show even had quite a few the "leg of mutton" gun cases, Some of the Model 12s were coming with these .
I forget the price of these cases being sold by themselves, fair price, just some not knowing thought kinda pricey for "gun case".
$4800.00 for that Model 12 in 28 ga ...
Well, I had a hard time putting it down, Larry shouldered it some, the gentleman was most kind, and most kind in letting us handled it. I could tell he appreciated someone "spying it" and "appreciating it".
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Does not suprise me one bit. I have used one just like that, and while that picture is very very nice - in person the gun is nicer and shoots oh so sweet!
Tulsa Gun Show, April of 2005.
Larry was Looking for a 28 ga Wingmaster. I must have handled evey 28 ga no matter make, model or platform in the place - at least once.
Larry, being shorter with shorter legs was having a tough time keeping up.
Shows tend to take "spurts" - meaning some shows just seem to have a lot of certaing make, models some shows than others.
2005, had oodles of Model 27s and other Older S&W revolvers and Older Gov't Model of 1911 and USGI and Colt parts.
Model 42s - I must have seen three dozen
Model 12s, Numerous 12 and 20 ga, but I only spied one 28 ga. $4800.00 and Just could not afford it.
This show even had quite a few the "leg of mutton" gun cases, Some of the Model 12s were coming with these .
I forget the price of these cases being sold by themselves, fair price, just some not knowing thought kinda pricey for "gun case".
$4800.00 for that Model 12 in 28 ga ...
Well, I had a hard time putting it down, Larry shouldered it some, the gentleman was most kind, and most kind in letting us handled it. I could tell he appreciated someone "spying it" and "appreciating it".
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John BT
Does not suprise me one bit. I have used one just like that, and while that picture is very very nice - in person the gun is nicer and shoots oh so sweet!
Fred Fuller
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My ususal FFL transferred a Model 12 in 28 ga. for another customer a few months ago. Invoice price on the gun was a bit over five grand. It was pretty, sure, but not that much prettier than an 870...
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Lee,
When you get older, you will understand what some of this Model 12 is all about.
Lee is older than me, and he and I rib each other. We are kinda at a "Mexican Standoff".
I don't push the 28ga on his wife the Good Doctor - and he won't sic the BIG Dog on me someday when I come to visit.
See BIG Dog was bred to shred unwanted guests.
When you get older, you will understand what some of this Model 12 is all about.
Lee is older than me, and he and I rib each other. We are kinda at a "Mexican Standoff".
I don't push the 28ga on his wife the Good Doctor - and he won't sic the BIG Dog on me someday when I come to visit.
See BIG Dog was bred to shred unwanted guests.
Fred Fuller
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Steve,
I DO understand the 'Model 12 thing' and the 28 gauge thing too, I just don't do the collector's item thing. I don't mind it if other people do, I don't condemn it or make fun of it. I just don't do it myself. Can't see spending money that way- I'm a tightwad if you want to put it like that. Example: two of my favorite neices got into a squabble last time I saw them. They weren't fighting over great aunt soandso's china, or Grandma's silver or her full set plus of blue willow ware. Not these two, oh no. These are two pretty and smart Southern girls, who have more sense than to fight over geegaws and gimcracks like china and silver.
These two were fighting over cast iron cookware.
So I promised them both I would make sure there were two sets of cast iron ready for them when they got ready to set up housekeeping (one just started college, the other is still in high school). Anything to keep peace in the family, you know. So I set out to compile an extra set of oldfashioned cast iron. Not the new stuff, it's good enough for people who don't know any better, but good cast iron of the old school was not just sandcast and left rough like the modern stuff is. The old stuff was surface ground on the inside, sometimes on the outside too. That made it a lot thinner and a lot smoother to boot.
So after several decades of seasoning through use, that old cast iron is actually superior to any modren miracle nonstick finish, long as you know what not to do with cast iron (mostly don't cook acidic stuff in it like tomatoes, or let it soak in the sink). My favorite old cast iron is a brand called Griswold, made in Erie, PA, most pieces with the distinctive cross in a double circle trademark molded into the bottom. But what do I discover when I went looking for more of it? Why, Griswold cast iron is now a COLLECTIBLE! Lord help us and preserve us from collectors. I care not one whit for variations in the trademark (large vs. small, block letters vs. slant, etc)- I just want it to cook in. I like finding it at yard sales and thrift shops for a buck or two a piece. That won't last long now... .
Same thing with shotguns- I just want 'em to shoot. Don't care about little gold birds and bird dogs stuck into the engraving like chocolate chips in a cookie. Don't care to drag beautiful wood through the brambles and briers. Oh, I like to look at pretty shotguns all right, I appreciate the materials and fine workmanship. Just don't care about owning them, or paying the cost of a used (or new) car for them, thankye.
Oh, and as to the Big Dog- we don't sic her, we don't have to. She sics herself, and in truth it might be awful hard to stop her if she decided she wanted a piece of somebody. We don't fully trust her around people she doesn't know, just because it's the nature of the breed (Fila Brasileiro) to dislike strangers. One of the Texas breeders we know boasts that they "even have one Fila you can touch." And it's true, but it's because she is an outstanding trainer and it meant a lot to her for her dog to stand to be judged, so she worked on it a lot, and her dog will stand for strangers to touch (see http://www.nodibkennels.com/ , that's Primo at the top of the page). Most all dog show judges know better than to touch an adult Fila, the rest often learn the hard way. We haven't done that, since we aren't showing this one- we just did normal socialization with our dog, and so we are careful with her.
And anyone who comes to visit other than family she's known from puppyhood, has to sleep in a hotel. Sorry, nothing personal, we'll pay for it. It's safer that way, and we don't want to have to keep Big Dog in her kennel overnight.
I hold Big Dog's leash when there are strangers about, or when she is out in public. Number one because I outweigh her, and number two because I am the alpha dog in this pack and she knows it. Big Dog is here to help make sure the homestead stays secure as possible, that's her job. It's my job to see she doesn't get into trouble, and to shoot anything she can't handle with a growl or a bite.
Y'all come, anyway. One good thing about Big Dog, she isn't gunshy.
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I DO understand the 'Model 12 thing' and the 28 gauge thing too, I just don't do the collector's item thing. I don't mind it if other people do, I don't condemn it or make fun of it. I just don't do it myself. Can't see spending money that way- I'm a tightwad if you want to put it like that. Example: two of my favorite neices got into a squabble last time I saw them. They weren't fighting over great aunt soandso's china, or Grandma's silver or her full set plus of blue willow ware. Not these two, oh no. These are two pretty and smart Southern girls, who have more sense than to fight over geegaws and gimcracks like china and silver.
These two were fighting over cast iron cookware.
So I promised them both I would make sure there were two sets of cast iron ready for them when they got ready to set up housekeeping (one just started college, the other is still in high school). Anything to keep peace in the family, you know. So I set out to compile an extra set of oldfashioned cast iron. Not the new stuff, it's good enough for people who don't know any better, but good cast iron of the old school was not just sandcast and left rough like the modern stuff is. The old stuff was surface ground on the inside, sometimes on the outside too. That made it a lot thinner and a lot smoother to boot.
So after several decades of seasoning through use, that old cast iron is actually superior to any modren miracle nonstick finish, long as you know what not to do with cast iron (mostly don't cook acidic stuff in it like tomatoes, or let it soak in the sink). My favorite old cast iron is a brand called Griswold, made in Erie, PA, most pieces with the distinctive cross in a double circle trademark molded into the bottom. But what do I discover when I went looking for more of it? Why, Griswold cast iron is now a COLLECTIBLE! Lord help us and preserve us from collectors. I care not one whit for variations in the trademark (large vs. small, block letters vs. slant, etc)- I just want it to cook in. I like finding it at yard sales and thrift shops for a buck or two a piece. That won't last long now... .
Same thing with shotguns- I just want 'em to shoot. Don't care about little gold birds and bird dogs stuck into the engraving like chocolate chips in a cookie. Don't care to drag beautiful wood through the brambles and briers. Oh, I like to look at pretty shotguns all right, I appreciate the materials and fine workmanship. Just don't care about owning them, or paying the cost of a used (or new) car for them, thankye.
Oh, and as to the Big Dog- we don't sic her, we don't have to. She sics herself, and in truth it might be awful hard to stop her if she decided she wanted a piece of somebody. We don't fully trust her around people she doesn't know, just because it's the nature of the breed (Fila Brasileiro) to dislike strangers. One of the Texas breeders we know boasts that they "even have one Fila you can touch." And it's true, but it's because she is an outstanding trainer and it meant a lot to her for her dog to stand to be judged, so she worked on it a lot, and her dog will stand for strangers to touch (see http://www.nodibkennels.com/ , that's Primo at the top of the page). Most all dog show judges know better than to touch an adult Fila, the rest often learn the hard way. We haven't done that, since we aren't showing this one- we just did normal socialization with our dog, and so we are careful with her.
And anyone who comes to visit other than family she's known from puppyhood, has to sleep in a hotel. Sorry, nothing personal, we'll pay for it. It's safer that way, and we don't want to have to keep Big Dog in her kennel overnight.
I hold Big Dog's leash when there are strangers about, or when she is out in public. Number one because I outweigh her, and number two because I am the alpha dog in this pack and she knows it. Big Dog is here to help make sure the homestead stays secure as possible, that's her job. It's my job to see she doesn't get into trouble, and to shoot anything she can't handle with a growl or a bite.
Y'all come, anyway. One good thing about Big Dog, she isn't gunshy.
lpl/nc
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Amen Lee Amen and on that note I need someone to come talk down the price of this absolute gorgeous model 42 with a Cutts on it....
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Incase it hasent already been stated here, the man that started browning used to work for winchester in the very beginning, idk if it was even called winchester at that point, but this guy liked the idea and expanded mostly on shotguns and so if winchester guns are similar to brownings this is no suprise, Im pretty sure browning even used winchester patents if they dont now.
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