Bug-Out/Emergency or Truck/Car Rifle

[C0untZer0]

In 2016 I purchased a Taurus Millennium G2 PT111 , an 18-round Mec-Gar magazine and a 20-round Mec-Gar magazine for the pistol, and that all went in my GHB along with a Camelback hydration pack and your typical GHB stuff - like a first aid kit, radio and stuff.

I would have to walk about 30 miles from Chicago, and thread through 4 not-so-great Chicagoland neighborhoods to get home.

On weekends I practice walking 3 miles with either my GHB or BOB, I know its only 3 miles and not 30 but I seldom have enough free time to go for a 30 mile walk.

I'd like to have a carbine but I can't fit any more stuff in my GHB.

 

[chicharrones]

I would have to walk about 30 miles from Chicago, and thread through 4 not-so-great Chicagoland neighborhoods to get home.

If that was in my plan, I'd have to get a folding bicycle to put in my vehicle or keep at work.

https://www.montaguebikes.com/product-category/mountain-bikes/

 

[Varminterror]

If I got stranded, away from home in an urban area, I'd use my cell phone to hail an Uber.

 

[chicharrones]

If I got stranded, away from home in an urban area, I'd use my cell phone to hail an Uber.

You know, I'd even call a tow truck. Take my car home with me.

It wouldn't be the first time I've done that.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

I live more "out there", surrounded by farms and state forest. My jeep long gun is a H&R partner pump 18" barrel. More than enough power and flexibility to do whatever is needed for whatever I come up against. When I go out of town, I carry a FN PS90 in a black internal frame civilian backpack.

The P90 would be a great BOG if not for the limited ammo scroungability.....just my opinion.

I go with a 16" AR with 6 PMAGS and a 9" 9mm Glock-mag upper in my pack.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Aside from my every day carry, if I need a rifle and not crossing state lines my little Krinkov fits the bill nicely. 5 30 round mags, compact case and one of the best point shooting guns in my collection.

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On the other hand the new AR-45 I just finished building would be a close second.
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That Krink is awesome!

 

[TIMC]

That Krink is awesome!

Thank you sir

 

[DannyLandrum]

"and thread through 4 not-so-great Chicagoland neighborhoods to get home"

I think you'd better get one of these instead:

https://dealernfa.com/fightlite-mcr060/

 

[Nuclear]

Once upon a time I travelled with an M1 Carbine as my truck gun. My recently passed Lab and I would check into a motel with the carbine wrapped in a blanket (mag removed), no one said anything or even looked funny at us. Maybe they knew, or figured a guy with a Lab couldn't be up to that much trouble. Of course I always said I could rob a bank with him next to me and no one would remember me, just that I had this adorable dog with me.

I stopped taking it in the truck on trips as I worried about it getting stolen out of the truck or motel room. I think a Kel Tec with mags matching one of my handguns would be a better solution.

 

[toivo]

I recently picked up a Ruger PC Carbine in 9mm. The selling point was that it's a takedown with an adapter to take Glock mags. I had always kicked myself for selling my G26, so I bought a new one of those too, Gen 5. So that's my bugout kit: a takedown case for the carbine that has a side pocket big enough for the G26. Fill the other pocket with Glock mags, and we're off to the races.

Speaking of "bugout," when I lived in Tokyo every neighborhood had a map showing where the emergency gathering areas were for that neighborhood. When the big quake hit (or nuclear war or the return of Godzilla or whatever), you were supposed to go there and await further instructions. Yeah, right. Not on your life, tomodachi. My emergency prep was to always keep my motorcycle full of gas, and always have my passport and a couple hundred bucks in cash on me. I wasn't going to wait for any "further instructions" -- I was going to get out of Dodge ASAP. Fortunately, I never had to.

 

[kBob]

Went with a Bud this week to Wal-Mart to look for some paint and went to check the gun section for 12 gauge #1Buck ( nope) and that Mini 14 that somehow was hidden in back and still on sale (NOPE and HA-HA) and wove through the sporting goods section while waiting and found myself standing in front of Yoga mats and right there next to them a Yoga Mat Case. As you all know I am so stingy and miserly I can be found by the screams of Abe Lincoln on the penny I am pinching.

But page one of this topic did have someone suggesting such a mat bag and I HAVE been stared at going into a hotel room with a gun case. (OK six rifle cases but that is a long -kBob Story (TM)) Old Abe breathed a sigh of relief as I let go of him long enough to spend the money on a case. Yep, broke down, a 16 inch AR M4gery fits it, wearing a TRS25 no less, broken down with the stock short or long and there is room inside for two magazines without much cramming. This particular version also had two external pockets, one holds a single 30 rounder loosely and the other a single 20 tightly.

I plan to add some sort of a liner, I had thought of a short piece of Yoga pad but just recalled some indoor out door carpet scraps out in the shop, and some sort of endcaps, originally I considered gluing circles of yoga mat on the ends of my liners but now thinking of somethin like a plastic cup or bowl since someone suggested that over lunch.

I like the patches idea. A few decades back when I was a full time Florida Marsupial, that is a full size pistol in a "fanny pouch" carrier I sewed a red cross patch and EMT patch on my nylon bag. Actually did carry some bandaids and whipes in it BTW. When I carried a "cigarette case" with a mouse gun on my belt I soon learned to carry a book of matches like resturaunts used to have in a bowl at the register in bad old smoking days (not me just half the population) visable in the open front pocket for when folks asked me for a light.

So I am thinking this yoga bag with maybe a gym patch or two stuck on opposite sides so one is always visable and a dirty hand towel stuffed through the one steel sling loop may work out just fine. I also spent some of yesterday after noon doing chores with the bag over a shoulder to get some idea of what it might be like to have to carry the gun broken down any distance. When I came in it took me 47 seconds to drop the package from my shoulder to lap zip it open, extract the upper and lower and (taking the time to get the sling still attached to both pieces straight) clipping the gun together, locking back the bolt, inserting a mag and releasing the bolt. As I say I took my time and this was my first drill.

I may never look at a yoga mat bag the same way again.

-kBob

 

[Gordon]

California : no loaded weapons or ammo attached to weapon , max 10 round mags, semi auto configuration restricted Sooooo; I finally found a use for the upper SMLE carbine pictured. Short , lightweight and powerful, quick to operate stone reliable and reasonably accurate to quite a ways out. Will penetrate cars like crazy and kill any game around and "STOP" a human aggressor right now. Wouldn't be the end of the world if stolen. I keep the mag loaded in console, which is legal and rifle locked under seat of truck or locked in car trunk both with a couple bandoliers of ammo,

 

[alfsauve]

So I am thinking this yoga bag with maybe a gym patch or two stuck on opposite sides so one is always visable and a dirty hand towel stuffed through the one steel sling loop may work out just fine. <snip>I may never look at a yoga mat bag the same way again.

-kBob

Welcome to the Brotherhood of the Traveling Yoga Bag.

 

[Ignition Override]

Hungarian AMD-65, by TGI. It is the only version of the AMD in the US with original Hungarian mil-spec barrel, trunnion, bolt carrier and bolt; all are matching.
The rugged Hungarian 20-rd. Tanker mags have been perfect, even in the other AKs. Worth every dollar.

A sidefolder might have an advantage over my Romanian SAR-1, Intrac Maadi or Mak 90 when going from a car to another car or home.
TGI's tiny, original weld on the muzzle brake (12" barrel with 4" brake)--*as expected with TGIs*--cracked, and was repaired by a gun smith.

** "SA 2000 M" is stamped on the bottom of the TGI receivers. This designates Original Hungarian milspec components.

 

[Z1D2]

I been thinkin about this, and i been looking at a 22LR Rifle that stores in the butstock. Without relooking i think its made by Henry
Shot placements and sometimes the threat deters.
I really like my rifle i got, but it dont get really small. And a Pistol is good but sometimes you need reach, and also 22LR is kinda Quiet which can also be a good thing.

 

[hq]

AK sidefolder in a double tennis racquet bag. 4-6 magazines and a suppressor fit nicely too. It's still missing a decent trigger (Tapco will do) and a Tech Sights rear aperture, but it was chosen because it has a very high probability of going bang when needed and it shares the ergonomics, ammo and mags with my non-folding Sako service rifle.

Not very elegant but simple and utterly functional.

 

[jotjackson]

I been thinkin about this, and i been looking at a 22LR Rifle that stores in the butstock. Without relooking i think its made by Henry
Shot placements and sometimes the threat deters.
I really like my rifle i got, but it dont get really small. And a Pistol is good but sometimes you need reach, and also 22LR is kinda Quiet which can also be a good thing.

This is what I use. Stores easy, shoots accurately, quick assembly.

 

[Jessesky]

I think one thing being overlooked is the noise and flash coming out of the firearm. Idk about you guys, but I don’t think in an emergency situation I’ll be using ear pro. Which is fine with a 22” bolt action rifle. But not an SBR ar. I’ve shot AR sbrs, they can be incredibly disorienting.

In reality bug out will not likely be the zombie apocalypse everyone makes it out to be. It will most likely be being self dependent homesteaders. But it sure is fun to talk about

 

[kBob]

So after I posted yesterday afternoon I again broke down the M4gery and bagged it in the yoga mat bag and did my evening chores. Did smack the doorway of a horse stall with the muzzle which was protected not only by the bag but a cover (if you ever worked in an office you likely had one in your desk drawer, one of those rubber thimbles one uses to deal with pulling individual sheets off a ream of paper) Would not have done that if a certain four hooved individual had not been excited by my bringing hay into his stall. No damage to bag or rifle.

On returning to the house I got out my cell phone and called up my stop watch and punched it on, sat on bed and again without rushing, but this time paying no attention to the sling, went from in bag over shoulder to loaded functional safed rifle in this time 32 seconds.

I wonder how that compares to putting together an AR7 (by Armalite, Adventure, Charter or Henry), Pappoose, or Ruger PCC from however they are stored or carried.

I looked at a chair bag on the back porch last evening and wonder if it might accept an M4gery fully assembled, maybe after church...

-kBob

 

[Jessesky]

I know this is weird to say, I’ve actually given this a good amount of thought.

You need to choose a rifle in a commonly available cartridge. BUT not too common. You know .223, x39 and .308 will be the first thing off the shelves in a situation. Not as many people will be reaching for their 30-06, 270, 30-30, 7mm rem mag, but every ammo place sure does stock it.

 

[hq]

I think one thing being overlooked is the noise and flash coming out of the firearm.

Suppress it? A good quality can can easily handle full power rifle ammo and reduce the muzzle blast (not supersonic flight noise) and pretty much any caliber can be handloaded to subsonic velocities. 1-2 mags in my kit are loaded with heavy bullet, ~1000fps rounds that still cycle the action with a BR reflex suppressor.

 

[Jessesky]

Suppress it? A good quality can can easily handle full power rifle ammo and reduce the muzzle blast (not supersonic flight noise) and pretty much any caliber can be handloaded to subsonic velocities. 1-2 mags in my kit are loaded with heavy bullet, ~1000fps rounds that still cycle the action with a BR reflex suppressor.

In a situation like that, being “tactical” isn’t the best route. It’s to eliminate complexities, have an easy to maintain rifle with as few parts and weight as possible. An AR may be easy to maintain, but any bolt action will be easier. You may want a shorter package, so now you have to screw on a can and add more weight. All at the cost of ballistics of the 556. Now you have a loud gun between 22mag and 22hornet. Now if you’re proposing a subsonic 556? Might as well go with 22lr and save all that weight.

You will be well off with the proposed gun. In my opinion though, there are better options. It’s not a warzone, most of what you’ll be doing is hunting and protection of a few people at one time max, usually at distance. For that I like a hunting rifle

 

[entropy]

But not an SBR ar. I’ve shot AR sbrs, they can be incredibly disorienting.

Especially on the wrong end, if you use a linear compensator. Or if you are a reporter. https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/firing-ar-15-horrifying-dangerous-loud-article-1.2673201 They're not so bad from the trigger end with one on. My 7" Pistol with it's linear comp is no louder than my 16" carbine with it's A2 birdcage. Yes, I"ve shot them both without ears. (one round each, for testing purposes) A lot quieter than a battery of 155 SP's ripple-firing 50 feet away from you. And it doesn't feel like a bazooka.

You may want a shorter package, so now you have to screw on a can and add more weight. All at the cost of ballistics of the 556. Now you have a loud gun between 22mag and 22hornet. Now if you’re proposing a subsonic 556? Might as well go with 22lr and save all that weight.

You don't study ballistics, or more forward, have a chronograph, do you?

In a situation like that, being “tactical” isn’t the best route. It’s to eliminate complexities, have an easy to maintain rifle

For many of us veterans, the AR is easier to maintain than a bolt action. We can do it in our sleep, and often have.

It’s not a warzone, most of what you’ll be doing is hunting and protection of a few people at one time max, usually at distance. For that I like a hunting rifle

You're pyschic, too? It may well be a warzone. There may be looters and armed, organized brigands. It doesn't take long, usually about 2 days. Don't believe me? Ask survivors of Katrina. Or, to be timely, homeowners in Malibu. Or it may be popping a coyote or deer you hit. An SBR AR or AR pistol can do all of the above very well-while a bolt action in whatever caliber might work.

 

[kBob]

entropy,

There were reports of armed looters in Panama City, FLORIDA this past month on the third night after the hurricane. Thus the curfews you likely never heard about....

-kBob

 

[hq]

In a situation like that, being “tactical” isn’t the best route. It’s to eliminate complexities, have an easy to maintain rifle with as few parts and weight as possible. An AR may be easy to maintain, but any bolt action will be easier. You may want a shorter package, so now you have to screw on a can and add more weight. All at the cost of ballistics of the 556. Now you have a loud gun between 22mag and 22hornet. Now if you’re proposing a subsonic 556? Might as well go with 22lr and save all that weight.

You will be well off with the proposed gun. In my opinion though, there are better options. It’s not a warzone, most of what you’ll be doing is hunting and protection of a few people at one time max, usually at distance. For that I like a hunting rifle

My previous BOG since the 80's has been a (real) XM177E2 with a suppressor, loaded with well hypersonic Hornady 69gr JHP:s. When I realized a few years ago what an insane amount of money those guns worth these days I retired it. Another reason is that subsonic .223 is pointless, like you mentioned. Subsonic 7.62x39 loaded with 174-180gr, even 200gr bullets is a different story, of course. As an added bonus, few rifles are easier to maintain than an AK-derivative.

I prefer a hunting rifle for hunting as much as you do, but in a scenario where I suddenly, actually need a long gun I have at hand, be it in the trunk of my car, I want it to do anything and everything a handgun won't. Anything from a bullet hose for laying suppressive fire to taking a deer in a pinch. Full auto preferred but not absolutely necessary, the FEG AK I happened to already have is a semi but otherwise it's good enough to serve its intended purpose.

In an ideal world I'd have my .375H&H bolt, the .308 SR-25 and the XM at hand at all times but there are a few logistic reasons why that's not likely to happen.