Info on people that have taken a hit and not stopped?
Turn the question around a bit. Any info on it being used in real life, anywhere?
That is a huge problem. It doesn't have any real life history of performance, just claims by the manufacturer which seem to be in conflict with people's gel tests. Out of a 5" barrel with full velocity of over 1400 fps, penetrating was poor.
http://www.firearmstactical.com/tacticalbriefs/volume3/number2/article2.htm
From David DiFabio on 1911
http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105888&highlight=aguila
...the IQ works quite poorly in soft tissues and the lack of projectile mass, size, and penetration capability make it considerably less effective than the poorly performing HydraShok ammunition you also use.
Back to our thread...
Indeed - most reports from actual shootings with pre-fragmented core ammunition indicate that they're quite deadly.
But you don't have data on Aguila, do you? Also, there is no core per se. It is pretty much totally hollow.
So far, I know of only one case. The abstract is here.
http://www.afte.org/TrainingSeminar/AFTE2006/Summaries/afte2006_tues.htm It matched basic manufacturer claims, but note that the manufacturer doesn't claim it to be a great penetatrator of flesh. The rounds did not penetrate an older kelvar vest.
FYI, the lab results showed Aguila to basically be nearly all zinc. This was critical for GSR analysis.
The kevlar vest brings up a point about armor. You have soft armor and hard armor. AP ammo refers to hard armor penetation, not soft. Lots of ammo can penetrate soft 'armor' that isn't armor penetrating ammo.
FYI, Aguila does not penetrate rifle steel or softer pistol target-rated steel either. It doesn't cause divots or craters, not even from close range, not like the .223 did above.
The holes are far bigger than .224.
What's interesting is the 1 inch wooden board that was an inch or two behind the steel isn't damaged at all.
Right, the difference here is that the steel is soft, not armor steel and the 55 fmj ammo isn't AP ammo. So you have what is probably pistol-okay steel shot with .223 that bored right through, melting both. At close range, a 55 fmj .223 round may leave a tiny divot in 500 Brinnell armor steel or also called 'rifle' steel targets. At distance, there may be no discernable alteration in the actual steel target itself with a 55 gr fmj .223 round. The targets will hold up find to 10s of thousands of impacts and unless you are hitting the edges of the steel and taking out little cookie cutter bites, the target will potentially succomb to rust before it does .55 gr. fjm .223.
M2 Carbine, you are welcome to carry Aguila ammo. I just figured you to be one of the good guys and could do much better than Aguila for the job. I realize your wet phonebook tests have made you feel confident about the performance of the ammo
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=197067&highlight=phone , but such tests don't seem to mirror better controlled, standardized, and understood media such as ballistics gel. So the decision to use Aguila for self defense isn't based on standardized testing of a known comparison and there isn't real life data to give any indication how it will perform in real life. So at this point, at best, it is a gamble at guessing how it might perform and given the number of years it has been around, apparently it hasn't appeared too impressive to folks in the professional community. Playing the odds, there are other types of ammo with better known performance characteristics in tests and real world on which you might want to consider use for protecting your life.
