Bullpup rifles?

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I saw exactly one bullpup Valmet in my life and it indeed did have stock cracks. Saw a Steyr AUG last year in Arizona, lke 3000 I think but a little beat.

I heard also that the FAMAS is very rare here. French call it the bugle! Anyways if you look in Gun List under the military advanced rifles for sale, if you are lucky you may see a FAMAS, I have not seen one in ages and I think they were going for like at least 6-8 thousand.

I have heard another bullpup problem is you cannot take a shot around some corners as the brass would eject right in your face. The British learned this in Northern Ireland with that sucky bullpup they issue, (the L85?) IRA used this to their advantage in seeting up an ambush I heard.

Only bullpup that interests me though is those discontinued Mossberg 500 and 590's with a bullpup stock.
 
I'd love to see if Kel-tec could build a good bullpup. They seem quite good at reinventing the wheel to get around a great deal of problems and producing a unique, effective firearm.
 
To be honest I've never even seen a semi-auto civilian FAMAS picture, much less one in person, so my hope isn;t going that well yet.
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There is someone over on the Battlerifles forum that has one.

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If you look at his entire collection it should make you want to cry.

http://www.ambackforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=7241
 
I have a Beretta CX4 Storm, not a true bullpup, and it is in pistol caliber but within reasonable range it is very effective. In an urban situation the pistol calibers are effective especially given that their FPS and energy are increased by firing out of the longer barrel. Still no .223, but can't think af any sane person who wouldn't respect it with in 100 yards or so. I'm not a southpaw and don't need the adaptability but it is entirely ambidextreous with no tools and in very little time.
Manny
 
I'm curious about the advancements in Bullpups since this 2005 threat. There's the Ketlec and the Steyr AUG and the MSAR. What else?

What's the best for the money? Availability and longevity?
 
That said, on the topic, has anyone seen the SKS bullpup stock conversions from Shernic Gun works or Center Balance Rifles?

http://sgworks.com/
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I love my SKS, but I think that video is a little... umm... I don't know... Mall Ninja 'ish.... lol

I like the tactical shooting display, bullpup stock and cammo's but reloading with stripped clips... lol

At least get a norinco that takes AK mags... lol
 
Bullpups are over rated IMHO.
The Styer Aug and FAMAS are freely available here across the pond, and sell for about 1400 USD. I have shot a fair number of them, and havent really liked them. The FAMAS is just a strange weapon, and yes the AUG looks cool. But no real advantages, other than a short length.
 
EDIT: Oops, realized it's a necromanced thread - here's my initial response anyhow:


Well, let's see, considering first ONLY those items available under $2K, we have:

--USED: (1) Bushmater model 17S 5.56x45, Others??

--NEW: (2) FN FS 2000 5.56x45, (3) FN P90 5.7x28, (4) MSAR STG-556 5.56x45, (5) Kel-Tec RFB .308 win, (6) Walther .22, Others??

--Supposedly upcoming soon: (7) MSAR MCS-08 multiple pistol calibers, (8) someone claimed Tavor 5.56x45 is coming to American civvies, Others??

There are others if you have more to spend, like real Steyr AUGs. There are also conversions, such as AK47 style bullpups.

Particularly interesting to me would be an AK47 bullpup conversion for a Saiga 12 shotgun. The Kel-Tec RFB has my interest too. Possibly the MSAR MCS-08.

On ambi bullpups - yes in addition to the P90, both the FS2000 and Kel-Tec RFB are ambi, because they use a nearly identical system of ejecting the casings out the front tube. This may be the wave of the future. Real AUGs can be made ambi by a simple changing of the rifle's config - dunno if the MSARs do this too.
 
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I'm curious about the advancements in Bullpups since this 2005 threat. There's the Ketlec and the Steyr AUG and the MSAR. What else?
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Doc. got most of them, but he missed a few (and I probably will too), including the British SA-80 clone (not released as far as I know), the Desert Tactical SRS (but it is a rather expensive bolt rifle so I doubt that is what you are looking for), as well as a few new conversion kits (such as the one for the M1A/M14), all of which I would avoid like the plague unless I had an opportunity to see just how bad it is (honestly I have never used one that wasn't flimsy, awkward, and/or crude).

What's the best for the money? Availability and longevity?
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IMO you are hard pressed to beat the M17S, but I have done quite a bit of work to mine to get it just the way I wanted. Also I think prices for the M17S has went up sharply last I looked on GB and GA. I think I will be getting a couple more BP configuration rifles in the near future to include the MSAR in 7.62x39 and the KelTec RFB; preferably in a 24in. bbl .260Rem version (that doesn't yet exist), but I may settle for the .308Win. in the 18" depending on how long it takes them to get something to market (and I mean more than 10 of the darn things). So I would also take a good look at these.

Real AUGs can be made ambi by a simple changing of the rifle's config - dunno if the MSARs do this too.
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I am 99% positive they do, but not being a lefty haven't done a great deal of research to confirm.

:)
 
Just purchased a MSAR E4 this week. Still in transit - should be in today; sorry no pics yet.

The MSAR's do indeed have ambidextrous capability with a simple bolt swap. My understanding is that the procedure is fast and easy. I'm right handed, so this is not of prime interest to me. That said, I also have a FS2000 which requires no modification in this regard as it ejects spent cartridges from the front of the weapon.

As with any weapons system, both of these exceptional designs have advantages and disadvantages, largely depending on the subjective requirements of the user. I happen to like bullpups as the geography of the generic design is very efficient and ergonomic, offering superior performance (balance/handling/firing characteristics) as opposed to traditional carbine designs. Again, my humble, subjective opinion.
 
I shoot lefty, too. I don't like bullpups, anyway, no handling qualities I care about, only bad ones. My gold standard for proper rifle handling is probably the Winchester 92, though. I'm not into tacticool pistol grip rifles of any kind for real use. Fun range toys, I guess.
 
Do all Bullpups have a cable to re-route trigger up front?

It appears that the latest Bullpup configuration in an AK or SKS have to use a cable to re-route the trigger up front. Recipe for a disaster if you really need dependability in a bad situation. I don't know much about the Valmet but it looks like the trigger assembly was re-routed up front also, so I'm fairly sure it has a cable to the original trigger mechanism. These weapons look cool, but would you depend on it in a life or death situation?
 
Do all Bullpups have a cable to re-route trigger up front?
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No, most if not all designs (bullpup designs, not conversion kits) are hammer fired with a long linkage bar (or stiff wire) or striker fired with a short linkage bar. I don't know of any bullpups built from the ground up that use a cable type linkage. In general the kits are very poorly designed and constructed. They seem to be very unergonomic, bulky, terrible triggers (when compared to other bullpups :eek:), and flimsy. This is simply because the platform was not designed with these conversions in mind.

These weapons look cool, but would you depend on it in a life or death situation?
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Depending upon the design, dang skippy I would. The following rifles have performed flawlessly, and there other rifles that I wouldn't trust nearly as much:

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