Bush a War Trophy Gun Owner?

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All well and good if it STAYS in the White House when he leaves. He has no right to keep it in perpetuity once he reverts to being a "citizen" like the rest of us.

He will NEVER EVER again be an ordinary citizen like the rest of US.

He will be former president which means he will have an ARMED secret service detail follow him around for the rest of his life. He will have other special priviledges and responsibilities as well.

Because he took on Alqueada and Sadaam , he will have a bullseye painted on his back everywhere he goes for the rest of his life.
 
IIRC the WH is tied to something like the Smithsonian to collect and store the many gifts other state bring to the president. Seems there is a full policy and procedure that is followed which effectively keeps the President from keep any gift greater that some piddling amount like $250. (Dark and dusty memory drawers are being opened and examine here).

If Dubya does indeed have SH pistol it will end up an a museum somewhere.
 
Saddam's pistol should end up somewhere like the Smithsonian or in some other museum. Not in GWB's white house.

It's my understanding that soldiers returning from the Middle East are, in defiance of lonstanding tradition, no longer allowed to bring home ANYTHING that shoots as a war trophy . . . so no MAKs, BHPs, SKSs, or anything else for the regular GIs . . . you know the ones who actually GO OUT AND DO THE WORK.

But El Presidente, who wasn't even in combat, gets a nice souvenir.

Like that character in a Mel Brooks movie said, "It's good to be King!"
 
I got a kick out of CNN's news byte on this subject.. the reporter (can't remember her name, the Oriental one.. (thats the only way I can identify her, really CUTE btw) spoke in a tone that suggested "Oh! the HORROR! he has a HANDGUN!".

Really, all of this news media based paranoia about handguns is getting to the stage of silliness now. I'm more worried about getting into an auto-accident or choking on food then someone shooting at me. Why are people so afraid of handguns? the people scare me, not the tool.
 
(Clean97GTI) Thats cool with me. The White House is more than just a place to keep the president. It is an exhibit that shows the strength and principles this country was founded on. The captured gun is just a reminder of how the US tries to make the world a better place.
Haha! Good one! :D


Sorry, Oleg.:eek:
 
He will be former president which means he will have an ARMED secret service detail follow him around for the rest of his life.


Actually, Clinton is the last president to enjoy lifelong Treasury protection. The law was changed during Clinton's presidency so starting with GWB, presidents and their wives will only have SS protection for 10 years after leaving office. This was Public Law 103-329 and took effect January 1, 1997.
 
Seems there is a full policy and procedure that is followed which effectively keeps the President from keep any gift greater that some piddling amount like $250.

Discount the fact that it was owned by the loser from Tikrit -- is a Mak worth more than $250?

So the left gets all worked up because a HANDGUN (horrors!) is in the White House. And some on the right get all worked up because the regular guys can't take their own souveniers home. Didn't the regular guys choose to give this to the President?

Regardless of the politics -- why can't this just be a matter of pride that our troops fulfilled their duty, captured this scumbag and presented his personal sidearem to the U.S. Commander in Chief?
 
Some gifts and trophies stay in the White House at the end of a presidency; some are placed in whatever presidential museum is built. The LBJ museum in Austin has quite a number of valuable gift-items on display.

I can't see any troops happily giving a notable firearm to a Clinton...

:), Art
 
Considering about the only thing the Klingons didn't do when they left the White House was burn it to the ground, a Mak would be the least that would turn up missing.:cuss:
 
Actually, Clinton is the last president to enjoy lifelong Treasury protection. The law was changed during Clinton's presidency so starting with GWB, presidents and their wives will only have SS protection for 10 years after leaving office. This was Public Law 103-329 and took effect January 1, 1997.

Jeez maybe he better load that gun and keep it on him then.:what:
 
God Help Us

The small study just off the Oval Office. That is where the pistol (mounted by soldiers involved in Saddam's capture) is kept. The President takes pride in pointing it out to visitors.
Imagine how that is going to play in the rest of the world, even among our allies.... that the Bush administration is proudly displaying trophies from the invasion. Some times I think that God left out the wiring in the man's brain that allows one to connect actions with the results that they cause. I say that to be charitable, because I hope no human could be as arrogant as he clearly appears to be.
 
Imagine how that is going to play in the rest of the world, even among our allies.... that the Bush administration is proudly displaying trophies from the invasion. Some times I think that God left out the wiring in the man's brain that allows one to connect actions with the results that they cause. I say that to be charitable, because I hope no human could be as arrogant as he clearly appears to be.

Well if it pisses off the French and the antis then its cool with me!

And if we kill OBL I think he should take the AK with the 2" barrel and display it also...
 
"Presented by the troops"

For everyone getting their pants in a wad about GWB having or doing anything even vaguely positive ...

The pistola was mounted and presented to him by the troopers involved, in the same manner that the swords or flags of defeated foes were used as symbols of victory for millenia past.

I don't think of it as his personal war trophy, anymore than I think of the U-boat, the U-505 in the Museum of Science and Industry or the Me 109 in the Air and Space museum, as FDR's personal trophies. It probably will wind up in the Smithsonian, or more likely the real life equivalent of that warehouse where they stored the Ark of the Covenant at the end of Raiders.

If our guys hadn't of found and captured Saddam alive we would be hearing from the media and the Democrats, via the NY Times and W Post, daily about how without Saddam we would never hold the country. The troopers decided to offer it to the CiC as a token of their success.

I just hope they have a new trophy next to it soon, in the form of Osama's do-rag, with or without the enclosed head.

As for the reactions of the rest of the world.

Let's see, the Middle East is already killing our civilians while they dance in the streets and sawing the heads off innocent civilians and reporters. It might be a real challenge to have them hate us any more than they already do, huh?

It's a symbol of a deposed, vicious dictator and, aside from some folks over at DU and Moveon.org, I haven't heard anyone say they would be better off with him still in power.

Now, if anyone still feels that this little trophy is inappropriate, please write your letters to the troops that captured Saddam and let them know how wrong they were to celebrate his capture and present their CiC with a small trophy of their work.

But that's just my opinion again.
 
It's a symbol of a deposed, vicious dictator
Who prior to becoming our enemy was a valued asset on the CIA payroll, an extremely efficient enforcer that we used to crush a country (Iran) who had taken US hostages and installed an Islamic government. And the cold blooded murderer part didn't seem to bother the Reagan admin when they stared off into space and whistled after Saddam gassed a few thousand Kurds.

That trophy is a symbol of a mission so completely bungled it almost staggers the imagination. We took a country without sufficient troops or control infrastructure and the result was that it is in shambles and the civilain deaths are staggering.... and to date, nobody within the Bush admin has ever admitted anything went wrong and NOBODY has been held accountable for the total and complete failure to plan for the mission. Bush failed to deliver on a single promise he used to excuse the war (no WMD's, no links to Al Qaeda, no stockpiles of nerve agents and bio weapons, no active programs or facilities to develop such weapons).

But, you think it's a good idea to hang a trophy o remind everybody of that?

OK by me.:barf:
 
no WMD's, no links to Al Qaeda, no stockpiles of nerve agents and bio weapons, no active programs or facilities to develop such weapons

The only one you didn't get wrong is the stockpiles. We have seen WMDs like the sarin shell. We have seen records of Saddam giving sanctuary to Al Qaeda lieutenants. We also have seen active programs to develop such weapons, but they were not close to the production stage yet.

As an aside, why would someone be worried about Bush having a handgun in the White House when he has nuclear launch codes in his pocket? I mean compared to the ordnance the president has at his command, a makarov pales in comparison.
 
"It's a symbol of a deposed, vicious dictator"

Well, it is. And thank goodness he's finally out of power.


bountyhunter - The rest of that history lesson you threw in sounds like a totally different kind of problem you're having with the President. Methinks it is not about the pistol.

John
 
BountyHunter - The eight year war between Iraq and Iran (with hundreds of thousands of casualties on each side) is best not described as Iraq "crushing" Iran.
 
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