Bush DOJ supports DC gun ban!

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Government files amicus -- on DC's side!

Quick read: Gov't says, yes, it's an individual right. BUT we join with DC in asking Court to reverse the DC Circuit, because it applied strict scrutiny to the DC law. It should only have applied an intermediate standard. That is, the legal position of the US is that DC CIrcuit was wrong, a complete ban on handguns is NOT per se unconstitutional, it all depends on how good a reason DC can prove for it. Some quotes:

"When, as here, a law directly limits the private pos-
session of “Arms” in a way that has no grounding in
Framing-era practice, the Second Amendment requires
that the law be subject to heightened scrutiny that con-
siders (a) the practical impact of the challenged restric-
tions on the plaintiff’s ability to possess firearms for
lawful purposes (which depends in turn on the nature
and functional adequacy of available alternatives), and
(b) the strength of the government’s interest in enforce-
ment of the relevant restriction.

The court of appeals, by contrast, appears to have
adopted a more categorical approach. The court’s deci-
sion could be read to hold that the Second Amendment
categorically precludes any ban on a category of “Arms”
that can be traced back to the Founding era. If adopted
by this Court, such an analysis could cast doubt on the
constitutionality of existing federal legislation prohibit-
ing the possession of certain firearms, including
machineguns. However, the text and history of the Sec-
ond Amendment point to a more flexible standard of
review."

:The determination whether those laws deprive respondent of a
functional firearm depends substantially on whether D.C.’s
trigger-lock provision, D.C. Code § 7-2507.02, can prop-
erly be interpreted (as petitioners contend, see Br. 56)
in a manner that allows respondent to possess a func-
tional long gun in his home.8 And if the trigger-lock pro-
vision can be construed in such a manner, the courts
below would be required to address the factual is-
sue—not fully explored during the prior course of the
litigation—whether the firearms that are lawfully avail-
able to respondent are significantly less suited to the
identified lawful purpose (self-defense in the home) than
the type of firearm (i.e., a handgun) that D.C. law bars
respondent from possessing.9"

"CONCLUSION
The Court should affirm that the Second Amend-
ment, no less than other provisions of the Bill of Rights,
secures an individual right, and should clarify that the
right is subject to the more flexible standard of review
described above. If the Court takes those foundational
steps, the better course would be to remand. "

As I read this, the (Bush) Dept of Justice is asking that the Court hold it to be an individual right, but not strike the DC gun law, instead sending it back down to the trial court to take evidence on everything from how much the District needs the law to whether people can defend themselves without pistols and just what the DC trigger lock law means. THEN maybe it can begin another four year trek to the Supremes. That is, the DoJ REJECTS the DC Circuit position that an absolute, flat, ban on handguns violates the Second Amendment, and contends that it might just be justified, it all depends on the evidence.

There was a saying during my years in DC that the GOP operated on two principles: screw your friends and appease your enemies. Yup.

http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2008/01/government_file.php
 
What is the point in having the Supremes affirm the 2nd Amendment as an individual right if they just let anti-gun legistaltion stand.
 
It's simple. The DOJ is protecting '34 NFA, '68 GCA and The Brady acts

This is simple.

The .gov is trying to put a "ripstop" into place to protect the 1934 National Firearms Act, the 1968 Gun Control Act, and the Brady act.

Not surprising, really, since these are all well accepted by the mainstream.


{Mind you, I'm not saying I agree.}
 
When it comes to liberty and the linchpin that protects it...


Democrats
Republicans


Same pig, different dress.

Proof positive.
 
The .gov is trying to put a "ripstop" into place to protect the 1934 National Firearms Act, the 1968 Gun Control Act, and the Brady act.

Precisely. As the countdown toward the court date continues, watch for pretty much all government agencies as well as mainstream media to "condemn" the overturning of the ban.
 
"CONCLUSION
The Court should affirm that the Second Amendment, no less than other provisions of the Bill of Rights, secures an individual right, and should clarify that the right is subject to the more flexible standard of review
described above.

Oh. I get it. It is an individual right but it isn't. That's about as clear as Dubya's grammar.....:scrutiny::barf::fire::uhoh::uhoh::banghead::banghead:
 
geek's right on.

I think that the DOJ is quite aware of the enormous potential for further legal challenges to anti-gun legislation, should this decision be upheld.

What I read is that they realize that DC's "sophisticated collective right" argument has little chance of succeeding, so they're looking for a "third way" that will allow them to make and enforce whatever laws they want, despite an affirmed individual right.

This strikes me as weaker, even, than DC's argument. SCOTUS justices would seem unlikely to want to hear this sort of a "recommendation" from the DOJ.

We'll see.

BTW nobody expected Bush to be a really strong supporter of RKBA, right?
 
Apparently ATF requested the filing. This guy is listed "on" the brief.
STEPHEN R. RUBENSTEIN
Chief Counsel
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives
Department of Justice
Washington, D.C. 20226
 
Sore Losers

Wow that was a desperate ploy by the DOJ and W's cronies. I hope that the BATFE gets ripped a new one. The '68 ban and ATF need to just go away. I for one would like to own full auto, if it's good enough for the guys in the sandbox it's good enough for me. Now where did I put that .30 cal mount for the Jeep.:eek::uhoh:
 
This should not come as a shock to anyone. The DOJ has a vested interest in keeping gun laws on the books because they are a huge leverage tool for them. The only cow more sacred are drug laws. Government protects its own best interests, just like normal human beings. Nothing new.
 
ArmedBear wrote "BTW nobody expected Bush to be a really strong supporter of RKBA, right?"

Well, I was kinda hoping... :(
 
It's bigger than just Democrats and republicans- it's about power. The government is all about it's own preservation not your liberty or freedom. IMHO, this country is nothing like what the constitution or founders envisioned and it's probably not going to get any better.
 
Those graphics are not exactly high road. So far as I know, the one source for that "it's just a g... piece of paper" has never been corroborated. It's been cited all over the internet by those who want to believe it, but that's not the same thing.

Bush has been a big disappointment to me on several fronts.

But we don't do politics here. How long before this thread gets locked?
 
CONCLUSION
The Court should affirm that the Second Amend-
ment, no less than other provisions of the Bill of Rights,
secures an individual right, and should clarify that the
right is subject to the more flexible standard of review
described above.

In other words, you have an individual right but that right may be null and void in some, most or all of these United States.

Using the DOJ logic, ALL rights are nothing more, to paraphrase Capt. Barbosa ,than "Guidelines."

200 plus years into our government we can't figure out what a single sentence means in our constitution?

Sign me up for the next revolution.....
 
200 plus years into our government we can't figure out what a single sentence means in our constitution?
Oh, We know... and They know... and I'm sure that ALL politicians nowadays of BOTH parties really really wish that Madison, Mason, et al, hadn't written and ratified those awful little 27 words.

But they did.

And now, we only have another group of Executive appointed, Legislative approved, Governmental officials (who wear black robes) to make a decision either in favor of what We know... or what They know...

Hmmmm. I wonder on which side their bread will be found to be buttered? :rolleyes:

Just as long as things aren't all... you know... Incorporated or anything... they're good to go.

Remember, it only means something if and when they say it means something. Until then it means nothing... as long as nothing is what they want it to mean. The Grey area between the extreme black on one side and the extreme white on the opposite is a goodly sized area with lots of wiggle room in there.

My prediction is no one will be happy with the ruling and nothing will change, because as we know "All Animals Are Equal, but Some Animals are MORE Equal than others."
 
Using the DOJ logic, ALL rights are nothing more, to paraphrase Capt. Barbosa ,than "Guidelines."

That about sums up the Supreme Court's position regarding most Constitutional "rights." Depending on them for protection is like depending on G. W. Bush to reduce the size and scope of government or lower the federal budget (in real dollars).
 
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