'Bush refugees' arrive in Canada
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Cool Hand Luke 22:36
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AMF! Send us a post card from Loserville.
JohnMc
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Odds are these schlubs will continue to vote here in the US, absentee, AND whine about not being able to vote in their new "home".
Losers.
If they're going to leave, they should do it all the way. No citizenship here.
John Mc
Losers.
If they're going to leave, they should do it all the way. No citizenship here.
John Mc
alan
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Re these "political refugees" one wonders as to whether it turns out that their immigration turns out to be something akin to that "revolving door".
Another question to consider, the status of minor children. These kids were born in the U.S., and as such are citizens. Have they "immigrated" in the sense of giving up their U.S. Citizenship, by the way, did their parents so do, or were they, as minor children, merely dragged off by "responsible adults"?
In any event, what is the status of their citizenship, assuming that they have not given up their status as U.S. citizens. I've traveled, and lived abroad, even worked in foreign countries. I did not however, give up U.S. citizenship.
Another question to consider, the status of minor children. These kids were born in the U.S., and as such are citizens. Have they "immigrated" in the sense of giving up their U.S. Citizenship, by the way, did their parents so do, or were they, as minor children, merely dragged off by "responsible adults"?
In any event, what is the status of their citizenship, assuming that they have not given up their status as U.S. citizens. I've traveled, and lived abroad, even worked in foreign countries. I did not however, give up U.S. citizenship.
CarlS
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I'm glad they left and I hope a bunch more like them will follow. I have nothing but contempt for the spineless, whinny 
DRZinn
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Y'all don't come back now, ya hear?
firearms_instructor
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Hasta la vista, baby. (NOT!)
Buh bye, good riddance.
Socialism is a WONDERFUL system if you happen to be an ant, bee, wasp, or termite. However, I am not a hive insect, and I declare that the socialist lifestyle DOES NOT WORK for HUMANS. But don't take my word for it, the socialist experiment has failed everywhere it has been tried, just check the historical record.
If we could send all the Socialists to the same continent, never to bother the rest of us again, it'd be a beautiful thing.
Lock & load, Mele Kalikimaka!
Buh bye, good riddance.
Socialism is a WONDERFUL system if you happen to be an ant, bee, wasp, or termite. However, I am not a hive insect, and I declare that the socialist lifestyle DOES NOT WORK for HUMANS. But don't take my word for it, the socialist experiment has failed everywhere it has been tried, just check the historical record.
If we could send all the Socialists to the same continent, never to bother the rest of us again, it'd be a beautiful thing.
Lock & load, Mele Kalikimaka!
Guy B. Meredith
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Hmmm... No wonder the line at Starbucks seems shorter. Does this mean it will be easier to vote in pro-gun laws?
Re: "See just how good socialized medicine is. (And why so many Canadians have US health plans)". My Brit neighbor swears that socialized medicine caused her father's death as he was not permitted to take more control of his treatment.
Guy B. Meredith
Re: "See just how good socialized medicine is. (And why so many Canadians have US health plans)". My Brit neighbor swears that socialized medicine caused her father's death as he was not permitted to take more control of his treatment.
Guy B. Meredith
Your not kidding. I love the flawed percption that people have of the Canadian utopia. A good friday night in Vancouver makes Seattle look like mayberry. When I was in college in Northern Washington we could choose between BC and Seattle for our partying. We chose BC because it was more "colorfull".
one45auto
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As others here have said, good riddance.
Art Eatman
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Benefit to the US is that it raises the average IQ here; unfortunately, it lowers the Candadian average...
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, Artmountainclmbr
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Why didn't they move to Cuba. Kerry and the other ultra leftists love Cuba. Do you think they never learned to read in public school, eh?
Don Gwinn
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Geez, don't pick on the Canadians. I doubt the average Canadian is overjoyed at these developments.
If you're a liberal, I can get along with you, but if you don't love America enough not to move out of it, I don't need you in my neighborhood. Go with my blessing.
If you're a liberal, I can get along with you, but if you don't love America enough not to move out of it, I don't need you in my neighborhood. Go with my blessing.
one-shot-one
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golf clap,
princess wave,
gone and forgotten.
princess wave,
gone and forgotten.
Lobotomy Boy
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You all might want to do a little research before condemning the Canadian school system. My wife's family is from Canada, and I taught many Canadian students when I was a graduate teaching assistant at the University of North Dakota, and my experience indicated that Canadian schools do a much better job of preparing students than U.S. schools. I did a little Internet research and discovered that the facts back up this observation. The following is excerpted from the website http://www11.hrsdc.gc.ca/en/cs/sp/lp/publications/2004-002611/page03.shtml:
"In the spring of 2000, Canada and the United States were among 32 countries that participated in an international comparative study of youth literacy skills, the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA). PISA is a collaborative effort of member countries of the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). Its aim is to assess how well 15-year-old youth are able to use the knowledge and skills they have acquired to meet the challenges facing them as they approach completion of their secondary schooling...
...Canadian youth fared considerably better than their counterparts in the US. The average reading performance for Canadian youth was 534, compared with 504 for US youth. In mathematical and scientific literacy, the performance gaps were similar: the mean scores in mathematical literacy were 533 and 493 for Canada and the US respectively, while the scientific literacy scores were 529 and 499. The test scores for each of the PISA tests were scaled to have a mean of 500 and a standard deviation of 100 for the 28 OECD member countries that participated in PISA 2000. Thus, the Canada-US literacy gaps range from 30 to 40 points, or 30 to 40% of a standard deviation. This is a sizeable difference, equivalent to nearly one full year of schooling."
Read that last sentence one more time: This is a sizeable difference, equivalent to nearly one full year of schooling" Say what you want about Canada's gun control laws or high rates of taxation, but the fact remains that we can't touch their education system. We Americans should be ashamed of the rotten education system we have created for our children, and those of you who insulted Canada's education system should be doubly ashamed.
"In the spring of 2000, Canada and the United States were among 32 countries that participated in an international comparative study of youth literacy skills, the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA). PISA is a collaborative effort of member countries of the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). Its aim is to assess how well 15-year-old youth are able to use the knowledge and skills they have acquired to meet the challenges facing them as they approach completion of their secondary schooling...
...Canadian youth fared considerably better than their counterparts in the US. The average reading performance for Canadian youth was 534, compared with 504 for US youth. In mathematical and scientific literacy, the performance gaps were similar: the mean scores in mathematical literacy were 533 and 493 for Canada and the US respectively, while the scientific literacy scores were 529 and 499. The test scores for each of the PISA tests were scaled to have a mean of 500 and a standard deviation of 100 for the 28 OECD member countries that participated in PISA 2000. Thus, the Canada-US literacy gaps range from 30 to 40 points, or 30 to 40% of a standard deviation. This is a sizeable difference, equivalent to nearly one full year of schooling."
Read that last sentence one more time: This is a sizeable difference, equivalent to nearly one full year of schooling" Say what you want about Canada's gun control laws or high rates of taxation, but the fact remains that we can't touch their education system. We Americans should be ashamed of the rotten education system we have created for our children, and those of you who insulted Canada's education system should be doubly ashamed.
Smythe77
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As a Cdn I can say they will have dual citizenship & from what I can see with her prior work as a State Prosecutor she will be putting her nose into the law business & good chance her husband has a job around the same line
During the draft dogers of 'nam we were flooded with so many young people, in their late teens, & often leaning on us Cdns for this & that. Sort of a pain in the arse as you can imagine.
Also when some Americans come into Cdn they bitch about their laws & they try to show ours are wrong & their ways are better. We are learning, look at an American the wrong way or say something against them & first thing we know we are being sued for something & that is NOT our way of life.
My best shooting friend, I think, is American yet he only votes in Cdn & thinks like a fellow Cdn. This chap is more Cdn then many fellow Cdns are. One could not have a better friend.
During the draft dogers of 'nam we were flooded with so many young people, in their late teens, & often leaning on us Cdns for this & that. Sort of a pain in the arse as you can imagine.
Also when some Americans come into Cdn they bitch about their laws & they try to show ours are wrong & their ways are better. We are learning, look at an American the wrong way or say something against them & first thing we know we are being sued for something & that is NOT our way of life.
My best shooting friend, I think, is American yet he only votes in Cdn & thinks like a fellow Cdn. This chap is more Cdn then many fellow Cdns are. One could not have a better friend.
Glock Glockler
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This is a sizeable difference, equivalent to nearly one full year of schooling
Do those statistics take into account the fact that we also have FAR more immigration to this country than Canada has to theirs, so would that help our average scores if we have people coming here whodo not speak the language?
Keep in mind I am not a fan of American education in the slightest but at least base criticism on solid info, anyone can quote statistics to prove a point.
Do those statistics take into account the fact that we also have FAR more immigration to this country than Canada has to theirs, so would that help our average scores if we have people coming here whodo not speak the language?
Keep in mind I am not a fan of American education in the slightest but at least base criticism on solid info, anyone can quote statistics to prove a point.
klover
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After reading the prior posts, I'm outraged!
I'm so mad I'm packing and moving to Canada.
What, you don't allow a freight train of guns to go with me?
Gee, I guess I'll have to rethink my outrage and turn back to the good ole' USA.
I'm so mad I'm packing and moving to Canada.
What, you don't allow a freight train of guns to go with me?
Gee, I guess I'll have to rethink my outrage and turn back to the good ole' USA.
River Wraith
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Too bad they chose Canada as an alternative to suicide...
Cool Hand Luke 22:36
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They misspelled "Program"
Canuckleheads.
denfoote
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Good F'in riddance!!!
Lobotomy Boy
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Glock Glockler, according to that study, immigrants from at least the 19 other countries studied would be better prepared than U.S. students. My own experience backs that up--the immigrant students I had were much better prepared for college than the U.S. students with very few exceptions. One of those few exceptions was a home-schooled U.S. student who was fluent in several languages including Latin. On the other hand, all of the really lazy and ingnorant students I had were products of the U.S. public education system. The immigrants were grateful for the opportunity to earn a degree; all too often the U.S. students felt like they should have everything in life handed to them with no effort on their part.
So I don't really get your point. Are you saying that ignorant immigrants are dragging down the quality of U.S. students? Which immigrants do you label as "ignorant?"
Rather than finding a boogy immigrant to blame for the failure of our education system, perhaps we need to examine our own attitudes towards education. How did our own kids score on the SATs? Are they prepared for college when they graduate from high school? The 21st century is not going to be a kind place for ditch diggers.
So I don't really get your point. Are you saying that ignorant immigrants are dragging down the quality of U.S. students? Which immigrants do you label as "ignorant?"
Rather than finding a boogy immigrant to blame for the failure of our education system, perhaps we need to examine our own attitudes towards education. How did our own kids score on the SATs? Are they prepared for college when they graduate from high school? The 21st century is not going to be a kind place for ditch diggers.
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