Bushnell 'ACOG' Type Red Dot Scope

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That thing is way too big for what it offers. The Tasco Pro-Point PDPII offers the same qualities and known durability for less than half the cost. The true ACOG is as large as what it is because it doesn't use batteries. It uses tritium and fiber optics, instead. A simple dot sight should not be that large unless it offers additional alternative power options such as the real ACOG, additional armor, or other features.

The Bushnell offers the High Speed, Low Drag look, but not a whole lot more.
 
I wouldn't buy anything that's faking to be something else anyway. That's just a pesonal thing. If it's really 1x as they say, then asknight is correct. Get a standard reflex sight instead-- one the seller isn't "lying" about.
 
Not so Fast! How many here have used one?

I have an ACOG on my Bushmaster A3 and find it to be pretty cool. Then, last week I saw this sight listed in Midway USA. When I had an FFL, I did a lot of business with them. Awesome company. Back to topic. Click the link to see it (and buy it):

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=859535

ACOG will set you back bewteen $850.00 to well over $1,500.00 depending on the bells and whistles you desire.

ACOG: There is something to be said for magnification, built-in trajectory, no batteries, etc. Bushnell: Conversely, there is something to be said for no magnification, and two colors of reticle for day and night shooting, and the abiltiy to turn it off (the light CAN be seen out the front). The later is the bill that the Bushnell fills.

Let me state clearly, I didn't want any magnification. Take out your ACOG and do precision, two-eyes-open shooting at close range, 20 to 25 feet. What do you notice when you close the non-scoped eye? Exactly--the crosshair is "off" of the target. Meaning, at close range, for precise fire (squirrel head at 25 feet), you can miss with both eyes open.

Well, I purchased the Bushnell for the reasons stated above. I just returned from the shooting range, using the new Bushnell on my Carbon 15 pistol. Of what value is the ACOG on a 7" .223 pistol? Answer, darned little. All of the built-in desireable aspects are nullified by the short barrel.

The Bushnell scope held tight, was awesome for accurate firing, and even had an impressive, near-perfect return to the original zero when I removed and replaced it at the range. So my answer is the following: buy both as both have different purposes. At $154.00, I doubt you can find a red dot, lifetime warranted scope that can out-do the Bushnell. Perhaps as good as, sure, but not better.

The sole drawback was, and for me little consequnce, there is no hole drilled through the base to enable one to use the iron sights. A fact which was unimportant to me for the Carbon 15. Compare these facts to the "Redhead" reddot scope that I paid $115.00 at Bass Pro shops last year, and that came with a (I think) 90 days warranty. Bushnell: lifetime warranty.

I would really like to hear from other Bushnell owners who have factully used the scope to see their impressions. By the way, the base as shown is same as an ACOG. You can remove the rail adaptor and mount it on an AR's sight handle (same as an ACOG). Oh, but unlike ACOG, the company does send you two base screws. They don't force you to purchase the second carry handle screw.

My call, awesome product and I'm glad I bought it. I'm also glad I bought it from Midway USA. Best of all, I'm glad that I own both.

Edit to add: Oh yeah. It comes with nice, soft rubber lens covers.

Doc2005
 
ACOG: There is something to be said for magnification, built-in trajectory, no batteries, etc. Bushnell: Conversely, there is something to be said for no magnification, and two colors of reticle for day and night shooting, and the abiltiy to turn it off (the light CAN be seen out the front).

This is simply not true. You can stick your eye all the way up against the objective lens of the ACOG and there is not a single glimmer of light that can be seen from the front. Even with NODS, you cannot see any light from the front end of an ACOG.

Take out your ACOG and do precision, two-eyes-open shooting at close range, 20 to 25 feet. What do you notice when you close the non-scoped eye? Exactly--the crosshair is "off" of the target. Meaning, at close range, for precise fire (squirrel head at 25 feet), you can miss with both eyes open.

Well, you can certainly miss with both eyes open at 25' but it won't be because of the phenomenon you described, which has nothing to do with whether a scope is magnified. Because people have two eyes and binocular vision, there are two different angles and two different distances to a target. If the crosshair is "off" the target when you close your non-scoped eye, then you are using your weak eye to shoot instead of your dominant eye.

Finally, the phenomenon you describe applies to the Bushnell just as much as it does to the ACOG because it is a side effect of human physiology.
 
I tried it lastnight, and I can see it clearly, but inverted.

When I look through the front of my ACOG in the dark, the reticle shows perfectly clear but upside-down. From up close, I don't know if it can be seen. I was at about 10 feet. I actually thought of taking a picture and posting it, but thought, no, I'm sure all ACOGs do the same. Perhaps my ACOG is defective, as you say "...for fact..." one is not able to view the reticle from the front. Has anyone ever contacted Trijicon Re: the pheonomenon, becuase I can see mine...for fact.

To clarify that we are comparing apples to apples, I am discussing my particular model:

http://trijicon.com/user/parts/products1.cfm?PartID=139&back_row=1&categoryID=3

Note that I can talking about the red tritium illuminated reticle glowing, not the carbon fiber optic. Any other owners of this particular Trijicon see their tritium illuminated reticle from the front, inverted?

Doc2005
 
When I look through the front of my ACOG in the dark, the reticle shows perfectly clear but upside-down. From up close, I don't know if it can be seen. I was at about 10 feet. I actually thought of taking a picture and posting it, but thought, no, I'm sure all ACOGs do the same.

I've never seen any ACOG that does that; though I haven't consciously checked all of them for that problem. My TA11 has no objective side light signature at all, at any distance, in the dark or not. You cannot see the reticle at all from the objective side.

I'm skeptical that the TA31 or TA01NSN has any objective side light signature either since a reticle that was visible from 10' away in the dark to the naked eye would show up like a spotlight when viewed with an AN/PVS-7 or AN/PVS-14. Since the military has lots of NODS (and the other side has a few as well), I doubt they would be interested in an optic that had a significant light problem - and they have tens of thousands of ACOGs.

If you are seeing a visible reticle from 10' away, then something is wrong with that ACOG would be my take on it.
 
According to the salesman at Target Sports

When I purchased my ACOG, I was offered the Marine version which has a frontal attachment that looks like honeycomb. It was allegedly invented to cure this "problem" because when installed, one can see the reticle only dead-on (not a very desireable position to be in in the field). It functions similar to a screen protector for computers, restricting external (incoming) "field of view". However, being that I am not a sniper, and didn't care to spend close to $1,600.00, I stuck with what I did.

Time to contact Trijicon re: the matter. I actually suspect that it is completely normal for this particular model. If not, it's under warranty.

More later.

Doc2005
 
I just pulled out one of my TA11 ACOGs and looked through the objective end in a completely darkened basement. No light signature at all.

Doc2005, either something is wrong with your ACOG, or objective-side light leakage is a problem particular to the TA01.

- Chris
 
When I purchased my ACOG, I was offered the Marine version which has a frontal attachment that looks like honeycomb. It was allegedly invented to cure this "problem" because when installed, one can see the reticle only dead-on (not a very desireable position to be in in the field).

That is called a "Killflash" and the purpose isn't to prevent the reticle from being seen from the front, it is to prevent sun from reflecting on the glass lens and having the resulting flash give away your position.
 
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Weird, never seen anything like that before. I wonder if it is a defect in that particular ACOG (and what the defect would be that would cause it) or if it is just a difference in construction between different ACOGs?
 
E-mail sent to Trijicon

Trijicon:

I purchased a Trijicon ACOG about one month ago. After posting some comments about the ACOG, several people have alleged that it is "defective". When I look through the ACOG (from front to rear) I see the reticle in black, but inverted. In darkness, when viewing the reticle from front to back, I see the reticle in red luminous, and inverted. My question is, should it be possible to be able to view the reticle from the front, either in black, or worse yet, in red luminous? Is this normal for the ACOG, or do I need to return a defective product?

Dr. Eugene R. Shaw
 
Just spoke with Trijicon

I received the following e-mail from Trijicon this morning. That's what you call rapid response!

Dear Mr. Shaw,

Thank you for your patronage of Trijicon products. Please contact our customer service department at (800) 338-0563 and we can answer your questions and get more information on your situation.

Please Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Sincerely,

John Houghton
Customer Service Representative
Trijicon Inc.
(248) 960-7700 ex. 165
[email protected]

So, I called customer service five minutes ago and spoke with Mark. He picked up an ACOG of the very same model and looked it over as we spoke. He said, "I see the same thing. You could put a 'killflash' in it to stop that." Cost of a "killflash" $35.00 plus shipping.

So, it is not deflective; it is normal at least for this model, and the killflash is the means to prevent seeing it at least until they bad guy is in the crosshairs, which would be an undesirable position.

Doc2005
 
Have you tried to see the max distance that the reticle is visible from? If it is only visible from 10' or so, I wouldn't bother with the Killflash since anyone close enough to see it is probably close enough to see you anyway. I'm curious how that solution would work with night vision devices that amplify light as well.

With the battery power on, the Trijicon Tri-Power glows like a nuclear reactor when viewed through NODS even with the solid black cover over the fiber-optic. The tritium is probably a lot less bright; but at the same time the Killflash isn't a solid piece of black plastic either.

Not really an issue for your uses; but I bet there are a few TA01s running around Afghanistan or Iraq right now.
 
My thoughts exactly

That is why I made the comment that there is a time that one does want to turn off the system. For my uses, I probably will never need to worry about it. But, for professional military, someone using long-distance spotting scopes and other forms of highly technologically advanced counter devices...yikes.

Anyhow, still an awesome system, and I DO plan to purchase an additional ACOG, with the .308/7.62 reticle for my M1A "Loaded" for deer season. :D

Also, I still like the Bushnell. It also possesses the very same tendencies as the ACOG. The sole advantage is turning it off. I also like that it has 2 color options, red or green. Red for day, green for night. The green is extremely difficult to see from the front. The red is OBVIOUS from the front.

I also like that the Bushnell it has a T-shaped reticle, and a very small dot in the center for precision-fire. All-in-all, for the $154.00, it's a great system for my Carbon 15 pistol. I'll try to get some pics posted soon. Life is pretty busy today.

Doc2005
 
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