Buying Duplicate guns......
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Johnny Guest
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Makes sense, really - - -
Hunting: Figure cost of the entire hunt, even locally, but ESPECIALLY if out of state - - - Licenses and permits, all kinds of travel expenses, vehicle tuneup and maintenance, that new pair of binoculars, all that stuff - - Why scrimp on just the one firearm? I don't do an exact duplicate, but usually carry along something similar - - Bolt action, scope type, similar-trajectory ammo. My pet loads for .338 WinMag and .30-06 have nearly identical trajectoriesand sight-ins, so up to 250--300 yards, I don't need to worry about where to hold. There are other combos which work, but that's the idea.
Competition: Already mentnioned by others.
Defense: Jim Wilson did a good article several years ago about similar type handguns for home defense. He wrote of standardizing on S&W K-frames stashed strategically about the homestead and vehicles. Works well, especially if you use same stock style. A Model 10, 19, 65, K-38, and so forth, all can have the same friendly 'feel" and operation in a stressful time.
Any revolver I have out of the safe works the same, at least for the first cylinderful.
Same with auto pistols - - My Commander, an old Colt Government Model, a Sistema 27 in a certain drawer, and the OACP recently adopted by my wife - - These all work exactly the same. And if any of these is in the range bag or on the "to be cleaned" shelf, the substituted National Match or Browning High Power runs with the same manual of arms.
Much to be said for uniformity of operation - - -
Best,
Johnny
Hunting: Figure cost of the entire hunt, even locally, but ESPECIALLY if out of state - - - Licenses and permits, all kinds of travel expenses, vehicle tuneup and maintenance, that new pair of binoculars, all that stuff - - Why scrimp on just the one firearm? I don't do an exact duplicate, but usually carry along something similar - - Bolt action, scope type, similar-trajectory ammo. My pet loads for .338 WinMag and .30-06 have nearly identical trajectoriesand sight-ins, so up to 250--300 yards, I don't need to worry about where to hold. There are other combos which work, but that's the idea.
Competition: Already mentnioned by others.
Defense: Jim Wilson did a good article several years ago about similar type handguns for home defense. He wrote of standardizing on S&W K-frames stashed strategically about the homestead and vehicles. Works well, especially if you use same stock style. A Model 10, 19, 65, K-38, and so forth, all can have the same friendly 'feel" and operation in a stressful time.
Any revolver I have out of the safe works the same, at least for the first cylinderful.
Same with auto pistols - - My Commander, an old Colt Government Model, a Sistema 27 in a certain drawer, and the OACP recently adopted by my wife - - These all work exactly the same. And if any of these is in the range bag or on the "to be cleaned" shelf, the substituted National Match or Browning High Power runs with the same manual of arms.Much to be said for uniformity of operation - - -
Best,
Johnny
LeonCarr
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3 identical Glock 17s
2 AR-15s (one 16", one 20"), both A2s
2 identical Winchester 1300 Defenders
I get duplicates because if you get in a jam, Murphy's Law will apply.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
2 AR-15s (one 16", one 20"), both A2s
2 identical Winchester 1300 Defenders
I get duplicates because if you get in a jam, Murphy's Law will apply.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
Brian Williams
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A wise old TFLer, I do not remember who, once said you need to have 4 copies of your CCW
1 Shooter
2 spare shooter
3 smith @ the smith getting tuned or tweaked
4 stored off sight
run these through a rotation
Shooter goes to smith after X rounds for tweakin,
Smith gun becomes spare, shot occasionally to make sure of reliability
Spare goes to storage,
Stored gun become Shooter, with a great range session prior to sending old shooter to smith
My idea of the rotation but TFLer idea of 4 with one stored off site, that way(his reasoning) if you are in real legal trouble you can still have an accessable defense weapon.
1 Shooter
2 spare shooter
3 smith @ the smith getting tuned or tweaked
4 stored off sight
run these through a rotation
Shooter goes to smith after X rounds for tweakin,
Smith gun becomes spare, shot occasionally to make sure of reliability
Spare goes to storage,
Stored gun become Shooter, with a great range session prior to sending old shooter to smith
My idea of the rotation but TFLer idea of 4 with one stored off site, that way(his reasoning) if you are in real legal trouble you can still have an accessable defense weapon.
Our very own Art Eatman has a Colt Commander that he set up just perfectly for carry, back in the early to mid '80's. It's got a nice trigger, no sharp edges, good stocks and sights, etc. I was admiring it one evening (it's one of his fave carry guns), and asked how many rounds he'd put through it since setting it up nearly 20 years ago. "Oh, about 400," he answered.
Now, this made me boggle. I don't think that I'm breaking any news to y'all that know Art online that he lives on a mountain in the desert of Terlingua, in the Big Bend of Texas, and has his own pistol range about 15 yards off the back porch. (and a 100 yd range on the front porch, and a ~500 yd range about 50 yds off the side of the house...) Folks, there's those of us that talk about shooting a lot, and then there's those of us that live it. Art is of the latter breed, and his abode is a place shooting is not thought ill of. Add to that the high, dry desert air, and your target seems to stand out on top of your front sight with a special brilliant definition that makes you feel more confidant in shooting. I know that Art takes advantage of the bounty that he surrounded himself with. So why did his main carry gun have so few rounds through it after all these years?
"I got it the way I wanted it, and shot it enough to make sure it was reliable, and now I clean it and carry it," Art said. "Why beat it to death shooting it? I've got other .45's to practice with."
This made me snort and shake my head in disbelief at first. I've always lived by the philosophy of practicing most with your main carry gun. But I have an open mind and of course I respect the source, so I gave it some consideration. Why NOT spare your main arm the battery of thousands of practice rounds? After all, if history is correct, it was ol' Ely Whitney (of cotton gin fame) who brought us standardized gun parts back in the early half of the 19th century. There's not a reason in the world why you shouldn't be able to set up two identical pistols to shoot the same way, and label Pistol A as your carry gun, and Pistol B as your practice gun. While I know I've been referring to auto guns, I would think the principle would work as well with revolvers.
I've been trying to run this past my wife, but so far, no dice...
Now, this made me boggle. I don't think that I'm breaking any news to y'all that know Art online that he lives on a mountain in the desert of Terlingua, in the Big Bend of Texas, and has his own pistol range about 15 yards off the back porch. (and a 100 yd range on the front porch, and a ~500 yd range about 50 yds off the side of the house...) Folks, there's those of us that talk about shooting a lot, and then there's those of us that live it. Art is of the latter breed, and his abode is a place shooting is not thought ill of. Add to that the high, dry desert air, and your target seems to stand out on top of your front sight with a special brilliant definition that makes you feel more confidant in shooting. I know that Art takes advantage of the bounty that he surrounded himself with. So why did his main carry gun have so few rounds through it after all these years?
"I got it the way I wanted it, and shot it enough to make sure it was reliable, and now I clean it and carry it," Art said. "Why beat it to death shooting it? I've got other .45's to practice with."
This made me snort and shake my head in disbelief at first. I've always lived by the philosophy of practicing most with your main carry gun. But I have an open mind and of course I respect the source, so I gave it some consideration. Why NOT spare your main arm the battery of thousands of practice rounds? After all, if history is correct, it was ol' Ely Whitney (of cotton gin fame) who brought us standardized gun parts back in the early half of the 19th century. There's not a reason in the world why you shouldn't be able to set up two identical pistols to shoot the same way, and label Pistol A as your carry gun, and Pistol B as your practice gun. While I know I've been referring to auto guns, I would think the principle would work as well with revolvers.
I've been trying to run this past my wife, but so far, no dice...
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