koja48
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I have no problem using handloads, as long as the hands that loaded them were mine . . .
Buying handloads, are there safety issues?
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the writers do have good intentions in telling us to avoid using handloads for self defense. If you use a handload you have increased chances of the gun going "click" "click" instead of BANG BANG.
Sure factory ammunition has its issues from time to time, but its far safer then the average mall ninja handloaded ammo you may be getting at a gunshow. At least you know that federal/winchester/remington ammunition is going to be well under the pressure rating that woudl dissassemble your firearm and your own bits and pieces.
Sure factory ammunition has its issues from time to time, but its far safer then the average mall ninja handloaded ammo you may be getting at a gunshow. At least you know that federal/winchester/remington ammunition is going to be well under the pressure rating that woudl dissassemble your firearm and your own bits and pieces.
K3
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The other poster was bringing up the legal aspect, not the reliability/technical aspect.
thebaldguy
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I have found bulged cases in someone else's reloads; they did not offer a refund or a replacement.
That did it for me. Use someone else's reloads at your own risk. If they damage you gun, good luck getting them to cover your damage.
That did it for me. Use someone else's reloads at your own risk. If they damage you gun, good luck getting them to cover your damage.
Gaucho Gringo
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I shoot Miwall re manufactured ammo. They have a web site to buy over the internet but I find it more convenient to buy at the gunshows I go to in Portland, OR. Here is the web site http://buyammo.com/buyammo.php The prices are good and I have had no problems with their ammo.
TEDDY
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after reading some posts where the intent is to excede the max I would not want to chance them. I have a security 6 that has the barrel in two and the side of the frame blown off.the cylinder is still whole it a 357.I have seen a K38 with the top strap gone.target loads??
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after reading some posts where the intent is to excede the max I would not want to chance them. I have a security 6 that has the barrel in two and the side of the frame blown off.the cylinder is still whole it a 357.I have seen a K38 with the top strap gone.target loads??
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There was a thread earlier today about an XD-45 that kaboom'd, no doubt due to reloads. This is why I will never buy someone else's reloads, the only person I trust is ME. I've fired 3000 of my own reloads over the course of the last year, 40 cal and 357 mag, I've had zero issues.
Primersinmyshoe
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I'm on the other side of the fence. I reload all my own ammo (45acp mostly). I've had frequent requests from guys at the range to sell them some. I haven't sold any, but I have given some (10 to 20 rounds) on occasion. What kind of trouble could I get into if their gun blows up?
I HAVE shot somebody else's reloads. BOTH were given to me when I purchased rifles from two different individuals.
One, I personally know and would call on to answer technical reloading questions.
Other, don't know the person, only purchased a rifle from them.
In BOTH instances, there were MAJOR problems when I fired a round of THEIR ammo that THEY loaded for THEIR rifle that I purchased.
One was a large caliber rifle that the bolt would not open after firing. Other is of the 223 bolt action variety that had very HIGH and obvious chamber pressure.
I will NEVER shoot somebody else's reloads....EVER.
One, I personally know and would call on to answer technical reloading questions.
Other, don't know the person, only purchased a rifle from them.
In BOTH instances, there were MAJOR problems when I fired a round of THEIR ammo that THEY loaded for THEIR rifle that I purchased.
One was a large caliber rifle that the bolt would not open after firing. Other is of the 223 bolt action variety that had very HIGH and obvious chamber pressure.
I will NEVER shoot somebody else's reloads....EVER.
skinnyguy
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Ok, I passed up the reloads for some less expensive factory ammo, but in reading and re-reading the posts, I keep coming up with "I trust my own, but nobody elses". Ok, I can understand that.
I've read about problems, and I know it happens. Factory, reloads-more often than other types, surplus, etc. Ammo is made by humans and we are known to mess a few things up. Which brings me to the point of my post; with so many problems with reloads, whether done by myself or somebody else, why should I trust them at all?
From the posts in the thread, NOBODY'S reloads can be trusted. In post 35, dcloco explained that a person reloading for his own use messed up the loads. So should I even bother getting into reloading at all? If I do reload, it seems I'd just blow my hand off or blow my gun up. So why not buy reloads if I'm going to end up just as messed up either way?
Yes, I'm frustrated here.
I've read about problems, and I know it happens. Factory, reloads-more often than other types, surplus, etc. Ammo is made by humans and we are known to mess a few things up. Which brings me to the point of my post; with so many problems with reloads, whether done by myself or somebody else, why should I trust them at all?
From the posts in the thread, NOBODY'S reloads can be trusted. In post 35, dcloco explained that a person reloading for his own use messed up the loads. So should I even bother getting into reloading at all? If I do reload, it seems I'd just blow my hand off or blow my gun up. So why not buy reloads if I'm going to end up just as messed up either way?
Yes, I'm frustrated here.
skinnyguy, it's simple - if you mess up your own loads you have only yourself to blame. But if you mess yourself up (or your gun) with someone else’s carelessness, you will kick your self from that time onwards! You do have control over your own reloading practices. But if in doubt - don't.
(Of course, that won't relieve your frustration. But actually, with due care, most reloaders survive quite well).
Peter
(Of course, that won't relieve your frustration. But actually, with due care, most reloaders survive quite well).
Peter
Primersinmyshoe
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I would hazard a guess that most reloaders never have a catastrophic event with their loads. It's the exception that is reported. I have never had a gun blow up or barrel ruined. I have had squib loads, but they just require a brass rod to knock them out. With my Dillon 650 and the powder check station I haven't even had a squib.
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I will buy re-manufactured ammo from only one source at local gun shows. He has his name, address and FFL License Number on each and every bag of ammo he sells and can tell you exactly what components are in his ammo, and he also velocity/POI tests to develop good loads. I have fired quite a bit of his 9mm Largo thru an Astra 400-perfect function and POI matches the sights! I have also seen some real junk sold-a friend bought some .38 spl. from "someone trustworthy"-he couldn't even chamber the rounds as the case necks were split form what appeared to be oversized bullets!
Bottom Gun
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I have never understood why some people will spend well over $1,000 on a firearm only to run the cheapest junky ammo they can find through it to "save a buck".
I have seen two guns literally come apart when the shooters were using someone else's poor quality reloads. One was an AR-180, the other was a model 29 S&W. Both shooters were using reloads bought at a Texas show.
No savings there. . . . . . . .
I have seen two guns literally come apart when the shooters were using someone else's poor quality reloads. One was an AR-180, the other was a model 29 S&W. Both shooters were using reloads bought at a Texas show.
No savings there. . . . . . . .
cpttango30
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I think everyone has said the same thing. Roll your own or buy factory ammo.
Never use reloads as carry ammo. Some spinless laywer will try to make you look like you were out to kill someone with your over the top more than deadly loading. No matter what kind of velocity you are getting.
Never use reloads as carry ammo. Some spinless laywer will try to make you look like you were out to kill someone with your over the top more than deadly loading. No matter what kind of velocity you are getting.
koja48
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NOBODY'S reloads can be trusted
MINE can be trusted . . . by ME . . . and that is EXACTLY as it should be. There's an old saying: "I trust me and God, and on occasion I've wondered about that other Fellow" . . . dang good advice.
MINE can be trusted . . . by ME . . . and that is EXACTLY as it should be. There's an old saying: "I trust me and God, and on occasion I've wondered about that other Fellow" . . . dang good advice.
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K3
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Once again, please cite an actual case where this has occurred. I have seen many claims for this but no evidence. I would especially be interested in seeing a case for this in a state with laws that prohibit civil lawsuits in a justified shoot.
Sharps Shooter
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"Once again, please cite an actual case where this has occurred. I have seen many claims for this but no evidence."
K3, I've noticed on these internet message boards "evidence" isn't always necessary for something to become fact. Quite often it's like that saying about a lie becoming truth if it's repeated often enough.
Nevertheless, I too would sure like to see an actual case involving handloaded ammunition in a justifiable shooting. Or any shooting of a human for that matter.
K3, I've noticed on these internet message boards "evidence" isn't always necessary for something to become fact. Quite often it's like that saying about a lie becoming truth if it's repeated often enough.
Nevertheless, I too would sure like to see an actual case involving handloaded ammunition in a justifiable shooting. Or any shooting of a human for that matter.
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