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Subject: Colin Powell


When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by
the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of
empire building by George Bush.

He answered by saying that, "Over the years, the United States has sent
many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom
beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in
return is
enough to bury those that did not return."

It became very quiet in the room.

Sadly this quote isn't, but it is based in fact.

Comments: Here's a prime example of how facts become garbled when run through the rumor mill.

Although U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell did utter words similar to the above, he was not in England at the time, nor was he addressing the current Archbishop of Canterbury, nor was he responding to a question about "empire building."

The actual occasion was an address to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland on January 26, 2003, wherein Powell defended the U.S. government's position that the use of military force against Saddam Hussein, unilateral or otherwise, was not only justified but necessary if the complete disarmament of Iraq could not be achieved by other means.

In a question-and-answer session afterwards (during which the phrase "empire building" was never mentioned, incidentally), the secretary of state was asked by former Archbishop of Canterbury George Carey if he felt the U.S and its allies had given due consideration to the use of "soft power" — promulgating moral and democratic values as a means of achieving progress towards international peace and stability, basically — versus the "hard power" of military force.

Here, in part, is how Colin Powell actually responded to Carey's question:

There is nothing in American experience or in American political life or in our culture that suggests we want to use hard power. But what we have found over the decades is that unless you do have hard power — and here I think you're referring to military power — then sometimes you are faced with situations that you can't deal with.
I mean, it was not soft power that freed Europe. It was hard power. And what followed immediately after hard power? Did the United States ask for dominion over a single nation in Europe? No. Soft power came in the Marshall Plan. Soft power came with American GIs who put their weapons down once the war was over and helped all those nations rebuild. We did the same thing in Japan.

So our record of living our values and letting our values be an inspiration to others I think is clear. And I don't think I have anything to be ashamed of or apologize for with respect to what America has done for the world. [Applause.]

We have gone forth from our shores repeatedly over the last hundred years and we’ve done this as recently as the last year in Afghanistan and put wonderful young men and women at risk, many of whom have lost their lives, and we have asked for nothing except enough ground to bury them in, and otherwise we have returned home to seek our own, you know, to seek our own lives in peace, to live our own lives in peace. But there comes a time when soft power or talking with evil will not work where, unfortunately, hard power is the only thing that works.

It wasn't the first time Colin Powell had used the figure of speech. During an "MTV Global Discussion" on February 14, 2002, he was asked how he felt representing a country commonly perceived as "the Satan of contemporary politics." Here is the relevant part of his reply:

[F]ar from being the Great Satan, I would say that we are the Great Protector. We have sent men and women from the armed forces of the United States to other parts of the world throughout the past century to put down oppression. We defeated Fascism. We defeated Communism. We saved Europe in World War I and World War II. We were willing to do it, glad to do it. We went to Korea. We went to Vietnam. All in the interest of preserving the rights of people.
And when all those conflicts were over, what did we do? Did we stay and conquer? Did we say, "Okay, we defeated Germany. Now Germany belongs to us? We defeated Japan, so Japan belongs to us"? No. What did we do? We built them up. We gave them democratic systems which they have embraced totally to their soul. And did we ask for any land? No, the only land we ever asked for was enough land to bury our dead. And that is the kind of nation we are.


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The question is: Would we want to bury our dead in Iraq, knowing that in 10 years we will have come full circle and be hated again.

I say, not this time. Bring our guy home for burial. I guess no more than have been killed, the point is really moot.

But if we had the casualities like Normandy, would we bury them in Iraq? Would it be a good reminder to Arabs?
 
Dannyboy, I agree. Hard Charger, we have dead buried in Morocco, IIRC. Dosen't seem too help.

On the macabre side, I don't think we had the ability to preserve and ship our dead home then. Could be wrong though, just thought of the National cemetary in thee Punchbowl in Hawaii.:confused:
 
We have the opportunity to make Iraq a staunch ally if we handle the aftermath as adroitly as we have handled the war. Hopefully, the administration is familiar with the aftermath of WWII in Germany and Japan.

After the Japanese surrendered in August of 1945, General MacArthur was placed in a position of unprecedented power for an American general officer. He was a proconsul in the Roman sense. Well, fall was edging into winter and Japan did not have the food supplies to make it through the winter without starvation. Hatred of the Japanese was still rife in American...and in Congress. Congress was balking at sending the defeated Japanese humanitarian aid: food, medical supplies, and help rebuilding.

General MacArthur sent this telegram to Congress: Send me bread or send me bullets.

Al, thus far Morocco's security and intelligence organizations have cooperated in hunting down local Al Quaeda cells. They have foiled at least on Al Quaeda plot of which I am aware.
 
bring'em home, lest we see on TV later, that the Iraqi's have dug up the graves of our boyz and girlz.

I'm sure however, the anti's will say (if that ever happened) "Don't go to war over that, they are already dead".

The anti's I know for a fact, have no respect for those who shed their blood and died for their freedom to speak their idiotic minds..
 
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