C&R - Is it worth it?

[Onward Allusion]

Well, if you would have asked me this a few months ago, my answer would have been a definite yes. In the last couple of months, I'm beginning to wonder if it was worth the paperwork, background check, & the $30.

Time after time, I've had to deal with complete and utter morons who don't the difference between a hole in their head and the C&R laws.

I've had idiots ship me handguns via USPS without telling me before they do it, so that all I get is some freakin' USPS notification slip in my mailbox. If this was a non-licensee, I could somewhat understand their ignorance, but this guy was a FFL!

Three times, I had someone ship to me via UPS - GROUND without any kind of signature requirement! The package was left on my porch. I have kids walking by to/from school. It would not have taken much for one of them to lift the package. One guy wasn't a license holder of any kind, the other was a C&R holder, and the last one was a FFL.

Just today, my wife had to drive home early from her office to get the package left by the door. I was monitoring the UPS delivery confirmation and again, sent UPS Ground w/o any signature confirmation. This idiot even had my C&R License taped/sealed on the box!!! OMG, I can't believe people. I am never going to use my C&R again unless the merchant is a full-fledged FFL who has a solid record of selling on the web. It just ain't worth the $25 savings!

Thanks for letting me rant...

 

[dogtown tom]

Welcome to the world of an FFL.

All the above happens to 01's, 02's and 07's all the time.:banghead:
I have less problems with nonlicensee's than other dealers.

BTW, you need to ream out anyone who mails you anything other than a rifle or shotgun via USPS. It is a violation of Federal law to mail or receive by mail anything other than a rifle or shotgun unless you are a licensed dealer or manufacturer.

 

[bikemutt]

I'm not a C&R by a long shot, although I have been called a relic. Anyway, I was surprised to see a handgun delivered back to me from a 'smith via UPS ground. No signature required, nothing, just left on the front porch. School kids walking by all day.

What's frustrating is I had to jump through hoops to get the thing lawfully shipped in the first place.

Makes me wonder sometimes who on earth is in charge of the planet.

 

[jehicks87]

I'd say a C&R is worth it, but mostly for the discounts one gets at various online stores for being a "dealer".

 

[towboat_er]

I'bought from SOG and Weidners. No problems.

 

[PLRinmypocket]

what paperwork is needed to get a C&R....any links to the ATF forms?

 

[OldMac]

Never had those kind of problems so it definitely is worth the savings on transfers and discounts from midway, century, sog, cdnn, etc. Some companies will not even sell to anyone that doesn't have at least a c&r.

 

[jmace57]

I am a class 3 licensee and one of the outfits mentioned above has sent me 4 handguns via USPS. For UPS, sometimes I have to sign, sometimes not. The UPS guy says "I know you now, so I don't ask for signature any more". I get samll arms ammunition with no labels as required. It is all over the place.

 

[Onward Allusion]

PLRinmypocket
what paperwork is needed to get a C&R....any links to the ATF forms?

Go here: http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5310-16-notice.html

There are 2 forms to fill out...

Section 10 confuses some folks. It only applies to Nonimmigrant Aliens. So if you're a US Citizen, skip it.

 

[belercous]

I love my C&R, best $30 ($60 now) I've spent. Of course, I like older guns & reduced paperwork to purchase. Pretty minimal paperwork to get one too.

 

[PLRinmypocket]

Thanks for the link to the ATF forms.

I also just found the ATF's C&R FAQ here: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html

 

[bkhosken]

Is there a list of what IS a C&R gun?

 

[Mike OTDP]

It's on the ATF Web site. Short form: 50+ years old, or specifically declared to be C&R.

 

[GMcBoozer]

Is there a list of what IS a C&R gun?

When you get your C&R in the mail, a booklet comes with it saying which models are eligible. Of course that list goes out of date, so the best choice would be the list on the BATFE site that the poster above me mentioned.

 

[Midwest]

Just an FYI: For those that live in other states....

Those that have C & R licenses in California have a different set of rules to follow. Even if the gun is on the Fed's C & R list...The gun still must be 50 years old or older to be a C & R in that state...period.

http://www.empirearms.com/cal-ffl.htm

"It MUST be more than 50 years old. Items dated 1961 or later are NOT C&R in California, even if on the Federal C&R list. "

Also, in some states (like California) a C & R pistol must still go through a regular FFL. NY State, Illinois, Mass and a few others have the same restrictions.

In New Jersey, it is possible to get a C & R license...but you can't use it...except for discounts from maybe Brownells. C & R cannot be used to acquire a firearms there. A famous pro gun lawyer advises against applying for a C & R in NJ.

Even in the restricted states one can use a C & R for long guns only. I think Illinois residents also need their FOID on file as well and can purchase long guns. But if you live in one of the free states, it should no problem.