CA 10 day wait -help!

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rojocorsa,
You just made my point! Ya'll have NO BALLS. The Liberals have ya cowed and there is no fight left in you. Rise up and vote the libs out! I am in California. Everyone I talk to is for guns. Get a movement going guys before you lose everything. They don't call it the PRK for nothing.
lloveless

FYI There are many of us in CA who fight and support the good fight.

lloveless,
Since you're in CA, you could join the good fight too. I challange all you folks to join the fight, because as you know what happens here in CA eventually makes it's way to you in other states. Join the front line against those who would take away all OUR rights!

Support here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=108030
 
I was considering moving--leving friends family job,but then the economy went south!!
 
I thought that for purchases of long guns you could buy them in other states and not have to wait for 10 days.
Perhaps I am not correct in this assumption. I have only purchased guns in my own state and with a CCW license and so there is no waiting period in FL.
 
Unless you have a C&R, you can't buy a gun out of state and bring it back to CA unless you ship it to an FFL and then pay their (excessive) fees...and you have to wait 10 days from when they receive the gun on top of shipping, IIRC.

Let this be a lesson, don't move here.

rojocorsa - That's mildly offensive. I know that I, as well as most other CA gun owners I know actually do vote in every election and do contribute to CGF (hell, I just gave them $50 as a Christmas gift).

It's just a matter of numbers, as well as that for a lot of CA gun owners, guns are not the primary issue - even though I would rather vote for someone who was pro-gun and I disagreed with on many other issues, many gun owners in CA would rather vote for someone who stands for other things they believe in and are against guns.
 
Sue the system. Equal protection under the laws. Make the system work for gun owners. 10 days violates due process. After a background check, why should you have to wait to exercise your rights? You are being treated like a criminal!!! Innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around!

Californians unite! Fight the system!

Find a pro gun CA lawyer, unit with gun owners and bring a class action suit.
 
What I don't understand is why instead of griping about your laws, you don't change them. Ya'll have what you have cause you're too laid back to challenge them effectively. He heh. Do I have your attention?

Wow, I don't live in CA, but I live in MD with similarly bad laws (possibly worse in many ways). What you said here is so ignorant it is unbelievable (before getting too upset, I mean the real meaning of ignorant: uneducated/unknowledgeable in a particular area- unlike the quoted post I'm not trying to be insulting).

Blaming gun owners for bad gun laws is like blaming southern blacks for Jim Crow. We can't just walk down to the state capital and rewrite the laws and regulations. Many of us are active and/or at least vote for our interests. However, the numbers and the power is not with us in these states. We try, but we don't have the numbers to win.

When I had more time I was part of the crowds of protesters and non-professional lobbyists who would flood Annapolis whenever MD legislators proposed a new "assault weapons ban". Now, I have less time but I'm a member and contributor to an organization called "Maryland Shall Issue" and the NRA. I give money to pro-gun candidates (even though, as a teacher, I don't have a ton of money) and I most certainly vote for pro-gun candidates. I know quite a few other gun owners who do the same. So us not changing the laws instead of "griping" about them is certainly not our fault- and not being successful about changing them doesn't mean we can't complain.

Heck, in many states gun owners aren't the majority. Even when we are, many gun owners aren't gun people but rather own one or two long guns for hunting or a handgun they keep in a drawer for protection but don't know or care about gun politics (generally THR members are not in this group). If you look at state laws you'll see the good states are generally those with a conservative (not gun owning) majority or they may be liberal states but they are generally populated by the libertarian (small "l" libertarian) pro-personal rights type of liberal (MN and VT for instance) as opposed to the "the state will protect and take care of us" type liberal (IL, MD, NJ, NY, CA). As individuals we can work on it, but don't blame those of us who live in the bad states for not trying as in many cases you will be wrong.

So, what makes you so sure the OP is someone who doesn't pull his weight and is only a "griper" since your attack implies you have this inside information.


As for the "then move" crowd, this is a tad better.

However, you really don't want every pro-gun voter to leave these anti-gun states. In many cases, states like CA, NY, NJ, even MD are looked to for inspiration by anti-gun activists in other states. Sometimes, we are seen by politicians in other states as
"guinea pigs" for gun laws. It is better to have someone here to fight it at the source than have it spread and have to fight everywhere. While here in MD we haven't been able to get many, if any, restrictions rolled back, pro-gun voters and activists have been able to help stop further restrictions (ammo serial numbers and registration, further "assault weapons" bans, etc.) that might have been held up as models for other states.

Also, I know many people have been able to cut their ties and move. But for many people it isn't so easy. We have friends, family and jobs. Friends, yes I'll make new friends if I move. However, I've known my closest friends since high school for several and since I was 6 for another (I'm going to be 40 this coming summer so this isn't a short time). My parents (who are starting to get up there in age) and my brother, as well as several cousins, are local. Sure, they'll still be my friends and family if I move hundreds of miles away, but do you really want to be that far from your friends and family. Job- some of us are in jobs that due to the economy, or state licensing issues, aren't easily picked up and moved (I'm a teacher, it is state licensed, and the process to get certified in a new state isn't always easy). Personally, I do want to move, and I'll probably be moving to northern VA eventually, but it isn't such a quick and easy decision that many here make it out to be (nor is the process once the decision has been made). Not many people want to leave their old life behind and start a new one.
 
Oh, for the OP...


Congratulations on the purchase of the Remington 700 SPS. What caliber is it? I have a Rem 700 SPS Varmint in .223. Great gun. I think you'll like it.

Anyway, as for the extra day, I'd give them a bit of a pass.

I live in MD where there is a waiting period, and a state police background check, for "regulated" firearms (all handguns, some long guns that are designated as "assault rifles"). If the waiting period has elapsed but the state police haven't got back to the FFL with a "not disapproved" for the purchase, the FFL can release the firearms. If you are then disapproved you must return the firearm to the FFL dealer. However, many dealers just wait for the state police approval (actually they don't "approve" you, they decide you are "not disapproved). In anti-gun states like CA, MD, NY and others where the state would love to trip up an FFL and put them out of business it really is hard to fault dealers for leaning towards the side of caution. It may be a pain, but I'd rather have a day or two of inconvenience than to have fewer FFLs to choose from.
 
I told them that it was that there are enough restrictions in california as it is and you make it worse!! I said I will not return any business.

Why hassle her, you're the one that chooses to shop in a non-free state. She your representative ?

You owe her an apology, and you owe your state government a kick in the crotch. You're getting screwed, and now you'll need a note from your mommy to buys some boolits to stuff in your new gun. Get mad and get involved.
 
Chaim,
Yes I insulted Kalifornians. Let them get riled about something. Take it back one county at a time. Start with Riverside, San Bernadino. Believe me I have tried to foment unrest. Kalifornians are like wet tinder, hard to ignite. What happens in Kali is the forerunner for the the rest of the country? What a hoot. California's medical system is 10 years behind the rest of the country! Things we were doing for JCAHO in a 45 bed hospital in Tn are just now starting in Kali. Most of the rest of the USA has shall issue ccw. Kali is not the PROGRESSIVE state you think it is. If 27 million California gun owners would vote for pro-gun candidates things would definitely change. Now ya'll are up for a new govenor. Have someone who is pro-gun, pro-california(balanced budget) run. Something good could happen. Yes their are some who fight the good fight. Too many wail we are outnumbered-SO WHAT. Maybe you aren't and THEY just want you to believe that. Thanks for the Calgun.net link. Good Luck.
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The 10 day waiting period is to calm you down. You are purchasing a high powered sniper rifle, so chances are you probably want to assassinate someone. Over the course of those 10 days you'll surely lose interest in performing acts of terrorism and will be mentally healthy enough for gun ownership, even though you probably already own a couple other firearms.
 
And like already mentioned, they will also have a record of ammunitions purchased, which together with gun ownership can be a bad combination.

Is is still lawful to purchase ammo before the 10 day period is over for your new gun ? Better be ready when the call comes down. Have a large quantity of low capacity magazines loaded.

Amazing.......
 
Recently moved FROM Arizona TO California (I know - what the :cuss: was I thinking???) Just want to say I'm here to fight the fight. Also want to say that fighting doesn't mean automatically (pun?) winning - it is an uphill battle here. BTW - just passed my 6 months and got my Resident Hunting and Fishing licenses!
 
I'm still trying to figure out how CA gets away with the waiting period. When the NICS system was set up, it was originally supposed to just be for handguns. A compromise was worked out to extend it to long guns also in exchange for doing away with waiting periods.
 
I'm from California. As bad as they are, their gun laws, as well as laws governing use of them in self defense, are mild compared to several other states.


Earlier in the thread it was mentioned (correctly) that the waiting period is ten 24-hour time periods from when the paperwork is submitted electronically to the DOJ, which is timestamped on your copy. If the business is closed for the day at the end of that time period, I hardly think it reasonable to wake the owner up and make a special trip over there to open the doors for you. :rolleyes: However, I did experience Turner's Outdoorsman (a regional chain in southern CA) taking it upon themselves to add an extra day. This is BS but I doubt if it breaks any laws.
 
Hexhead said:
I'm still trying to figure out how CA gets away with the waiting period. When the NICS system was set up, it was originally supposed to just be for handguns. A compromise was worked out to extend it to long guns also in exchange for doing away with waiting periods.
Because, in CA, the waiting period has always been about a "cooling off" period, not a time period to do a background check.

CA has had a waiting period for approximatley 86 years.

In 1923, a one day waiting period for handguns was enacted.
In 1955, the waiting period was increased to three days.
In 1965, the waiting period was increased to five days.
In 1975, the waiting period was increased to fifteen days and included all firearms.
In 1997, the waiting period was reduced to ten days.
 
There are a lot of places that actually make you wait 11 days because they don't want to take a chance releasing it early....

Personally, I think they do it when they can't count.
It's 10 days to the minute. The reason some stores (ours included) say it's 11 days is that if a guy buys a gun at 2:00pm and you tell him 10 days, he'll show up at 9:00am ten days hence and get all pushed out of shape because you won't release the gun to him until 2:01. So the shop says 11 days and he can show up any time he likes on the 11th day.

If your shop says 11 days, if you ask nicely and assure them that you will wait until after the magic minute on the 10th day, they will probably let you pick it up then.
 
Okay-- so I clalled down and asked what was the deal. I was told their policy makes me wait an extra day--to make sure there is no problem. I told them that it was that there are enough restrictions in california as it is and you make it worse!! I said I will not return any business. SHe said I could pick it up after 3 on the 9th--after arguing with her. I won't go back anyway. I go through the nonsense of planning on what day to buy a gun, so that I make sure I can pick it and utilize that day. In this case, I wanted to get it Sat. Zero in a scope I have yet to purchase. then go back on Sunday and see how the zero held up. So they were going to make me wait until Monday. After work, Id drive for 70 miles. drive 90 miles back home. By then it's 8:00pm. Maybe I could get around to firing it the next day--thursday-12. thus waiting 13 days to use my purchase. I guess I'll just drive 250 miles to deal with some other people who know the law.

Sorry, but you are in the wrong on this one. The best the dealer can do is to give it to you on the tenth day after, I repeat after,the time posted on the DROS form. Anything else would be illegal, and yes, the California DOJ does check.

You owe your dealer an apology.
 
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