CA,Bay Area teen shoots Mtn Lion,ruled self defense!

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Remember the one where a mountain lion attacked a bicyclist down in Southern California?
That one stands out for me, since I'm an avid cyclist. Mountain Lion encounters are on the rise around here, its only a matter of time before there is an attack.
HHmmmm, maybe its time to invest in a lightweight .357 and a fanny pack....
 
Boy is lying through his teeth and shot it at a distance. Parents should be fined for illegal poaching.

I disagree, 3 feet might be an exageration but I have a 20 guage and I damn sure would not want it as a primary gun for a cougar. Even with a turkey load long range, any range is going to marginal with a large cat. Ok so he shot it 3 times to kill it, I would suspect the cat was within 25 yards and to me any cat within 25 yards that I can see is a threat to my life, especially if I am in camo and making prey noises.

I also suspect a wounded cat at a 25 to 30 yard range would be able to run and hide when shot with a 20 guage unless shot at a very close range maybe 10 yards or less, since a cougar can pounce on something from 5 yards away I am defintely shooting one that close to me.

Just my thoughts.
 
Mountain lions don't miss when they swipe... they pounce. Boy is lying through his teeth and shot it at a distance. Parents should be fined for illegal poaching.

If thwarted the cat might have swiped to threaten the boy as it no longer could carry on with it's attack and now views the human as something of a threat. Cat's do swipe or paw the air without the intention of actually hitting. Mtn lions pounce when your back is turned.
 
I grew up in the Bay Area (Concord & Clayton) near Mt. Diablo. We'd occasionally see some Mountain Lion sign, but never came close to the animal itself.

You'll find major contraditions in that part of California. Some people really do have some sense, while others are practically communist and would embrace a homosexual communist regime given half a chance. There really were a lot of good hearted, church-going types. Unfortunately, the liberal extremists outnumber the normal folk by about two to one, and even the normal folks are deluged with so much liberal propaganda that it gets hard to not be influenced. Contra Costa County, where I grew up, just banned the sale (and probably posession too) of any .50 firearms. I really miss the climate, the hills, oak trees, and Mt Diablo, but I'm still glad I don't live in that sociallist mess anymore.

Perhaps someday, when the Lord destroys San Francisco, LA, ect., the more conservative elements of the state will reclaim California for good folk again.

I'm just glad they didn't arrest these young men for posession of a firearm.
 
Mountain lions don't miss when they swipe... they pounce. Boy is lying through his teeth and shot it at a distance. Parents should be fined for illegal poaching.
Aaaahhhh, this is a REAL California solution, kudos!
 
...and would embrace a homosexual communist regime...

How about laying off of the bigoted remarks here, huh?

Go ahead and bash someone's political views, but I think that gay-bashing is beyond the pale.
 
Here in the Pacific Northwest, there are more and more reports of "incidents" with Cougars and people. Unfortunately the tremendous growth around here has cut into the Cougar's habitat and they wind up feeding on dogs, cats, sheep or whatever and are not afraid of humans if they are really hungry or feel cornered. There have been stories of Cougars going into back yards and grabbing the family dog and would probably take children if they had a chance.

When the cat gets hungry, it doesn't really seem to care about where the food comes from. Last year, there was a story about a guy hiking in the mountains who was attacked and severely injured by a Cougar that jumped him from behind. Turrned out he had been fishing and had a couple of trout in his backpack!

Hopefully it will be proven that these kid were justified in shooting the cat and saving themselves. They were in the cat's "house" and he was probably looking for his next meal. I would have absolutely no qualms about defending myself in the same situation. A young adult cat would put up a terrific fight and could have very well seriously injured either one of the kids if not killed one or the other.

PETA may scream and cry about the killing of an animal but for some reason, you never seem to hear about PETA sending flowers to the funeral of someone who was killed by an animal. Wonder why that is.....
 
Matt Payne,

I've seen homosexuality and the liberal socialist agenda become so intertwined in California that I don't really see them as seperate things. Would you care to discuss the ramifications of a certain mayor of San Francisco blatently disregarding the state law while issuing marriage permits to homosexual couples? Isn't he supposed to uphold the law?

For me, I oppose both the ultra-liberal anti-gun agenda and the homosexual agenda on grounds of principle. There's nothing bigoted about it. You are certainly entitled to disagree. Then again, a person is entitled to say that there is no private right to bear arms. Doesn't make that person correct.
 
Shane333- two words "Pink Pistols"

the homosexual agenda
Isn't that the one where they go shopping at Prada and have a nice cocktail down at Aqua? Or did I miss the minutes of the last meeting? I'll check the schedule-

8:07 a.m. Make a high protein breakfast while watching the Today show. Wonder if the stories you've heard about Matt Lauer are true. Decide they must be.

8:30 a.m. Italian or domestic? Decide to go with three-button Italian and the only shirt that is clean.

8:45 a.m. Climb into red Z4 and try not to look too much like Barbie driving one of her accessories as you pull out of your underground parking. Revos or Armanis? Go with Revos.

9:35 a.m. Stroll into office.

9:36 a.m. Close door to office and call best friend and laugh about the guy who spent the night at your condo. Point out something annoying about best friend's boyfriend but quickly add "It doesn't matter what everyone else thinks, just as long as you love him."

10:15 a.m. Leave office, telling your secretary you are "meeting with a client." Pretend not to notice her insubordinate roll of her eyes (or the cloying "poem" she has tacked to her cubicle wall).

10:30 a.m. Hair appointment for lowlights and cut. Purchase of Aveda anti-humectant pomade.

11:30 a.m. Run into personal trainer at gym. Pester him about getting you Human Growth Hormone. Spend 30 minutes talking to friends on your cell phone while using Hammer Strength machines, preparing a mental-matrix of which circuit parties everyone is going to and which are now passe.

12:00pm Tan. Schedule back-waxing in time for Saturday party where you know you will end up shirtless.

12:30 p.m. Pay trainer for anabolic steroids and schedule a workout. Shower, taking ten minutes to knot your tie while you check-out your best friend's boyfriend undress with the calculation of someone used to wearing a t-back and having dollars stuffed in their crotch.

3:33 p.m. Assume complete control of the U.S., state, and local governments (in addition to other nations' governments); destroy all healthy Christian marriages; recruit all children grades Kindergarten through 12 into your amoral, filthy lifestyle; secure complete control of the media, starting with sitcoms; molest innocent children; give AIDS to as many people as you can; host a pornographic "art" exhibit at your local art museum; and turn people away from Jesus, causing them to burn forever in Hell.

4:10 p.m. Time permitting, bring about the general decline of Western Civilization and look like you are having way too much fun doing it.

4:30 p.m. Take a disco-nap to prevent facial wrinkles from the stress of world conquest and being so terribly witty.

6:00 p.m. Open a fabulous new bottle of Malbec.

7:00 P.M. Go to Abercrombie & Fitch and announce in a loud voice, "Over!"

7:40 P.M. Stop looking at the photographic displays at Abercrombie & Fitch and go to a cool store to begin shopping.

8:30 p.m. Light dinner with catty homosexual friends at a restaurant you will be "over" by the time it gets its first review in the local paper.

10:30 p.m. Cocktails at a debauched gay bar, trying to avoid alcoholic queens who can't navigate a crowd with a lit cigarette in one hand and a Stoli in a cheap plastic cup in the other. Make audible remark about how "trashy" people who still think smoking is acceptable are.


Was it this agenda? I may have missed a meeting.

when the Lord destroys San Francisco
And Shane333? You may want to rethink your wish list of who god smites. This is my town. And I love it.


Sorry mods- I just got a little irked.
 
Matt Payne and QuarterBoreGunner,

To avoid taking this thread further onto a major tangent, I will apologize for bringing homosexuality into this topic.
 
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pax
 
Back on topic: this is why, when I'm in the boonies; areas of good ol' CA that have these big critters, I carry my mosin on my back, and my XD-40 in a holster on my hip. (Hey, it's not much, but it's all I got!)

I ran across a rabid (I think) coyote once in mojave when I was about 12... he started snarling and advancing... I peed my pants, and put a few 22lr's right into his forehead. No more snarling coyote. Pants were smelly, though.

Ha. I can't believe I just admitted urinating myself on a public forum! HAHA

James
 
Mountain lions don't miss when they swipe... they pounce. Boy is lying through his teeth and shot it at a distance. Parents should be fined for illegal poaching.


As if there's a shortage of these things out there. Another example of misinformed, bleeding heart politics overtaking common sense. At some point I hope Darwin will take over and the mountain lions start eating the liberals.
 
It would be a simple matter of looking at the powder residue and pellet spread to determine if the cat was shot at range or not.

But then, maybe you were there? :rolleyes:
 
When I saw the PETA reference, I just had to check in... has anybody ever seen the Penn & Teller cable show "B*LLSH*T" ?

Just last night, I saw the episode they did discussing PETA, and lemme tell you something-- Those bunny huggers make me nervous now! They have convicted arsonists and terrorists on their payroll... They're dedicated to "the liberation of every animal"... planetwide. They're not just talking about lab rats, and test bunnies. They're talking about cows, sheep, lapdogs, housecats... EVERY ONE! And their willing to commit terrorist acts to make it happen, too...

I don't know about you guys, but next time I see a PETA rally, I'm gonna pass by in condition red...
 
They're dedicated to "the liberation of every animal"... planetwide. They're not just talking about lab rats, and test bunnies. They're talking about cows, sheep, lapdogs, housecats... EVERY ONE! And their willing to commit terrorist acts to make it happen, too...

They (PETA) positively don't want to do that. When my Rottweiler catches them (he can't stand liberals neither), PETA will mean Pets Eating Tasty Activists. :D
 
UPDATE!

Hard to believe this is commuting distance to Berkeley & San Francisco!
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Mountain lion kill
Thursday, April 15, 2004

It has been verified by the Department of Fish and Game that the killing of the mountain lion by the two young hunters last week in Pope/Chiles Valley was legal and justified. What was of more interest to me was the reaction from a few who thought that the boys should have jumped up and scared the lion away or yelled and screamed at it. I have been stalked by lions; it is not a fun thing.

Let's take a good look at where we are with mountain lions. First, the mountain lion is probably the most cautious and fearless predator we have in California. They are the top of the food chain; only man is above the mountain lion. Thirty-five years ago Senator John Dunlap of Napa authored the bill to outlaw mountain lion hunting in California. Since then the mountain lion population has increased ten-fold. Today, the new generations of mountain lions have never had to fear man.

A fully-grown mountain lion's number one prey is deer. A mountain lion can take down a deer and does so at least once a week or every couple of weeks. That means if we have 20 lions in Napa County, they may kill 600 deer a year. That may not seem like a lot, since hunters take about 300 bucks a year in Napa County. The big difference is that lions kill does and small fawns as well as bucks.

It is a fact that in California we have less deer than anywhere else in the West. Our herds are hit hard, and with an estimated 3,000- to 5,000 lions in the state each killing 30 deer a year, it is hard to come back from a 30,000 deficit every year of deer killed by lions. The word to keep everything in check is "management." Properly regulated, turkey and elk are prospering in California.

I wouldn't go to an engineer to ask about a weight loss program. It's the same thing in the world of wildlife management. If DFG biologists were allowed to become involved with nature in California, they could come up with a management plan for mountain lions. Instead, they are directed by political decisions to ignore the mountain lion problem. With occasional hunting of mountain lions, the animals would become less of a threat to humans and would begin to fear us more. Today, joggers, hikers, and hunters have to fear mountain lions because generations of lions have grown up accepting man as part of their world; man doesn't pose a threat to lions.

So it bothers me when I read letters to the editor from writers who feel that mountain lions should be protected. They say that the kids were wrong in shooting the lion that posed a threat to them while they were hunting turkey. This lion apparently took a swipe at one of them. We have gone so far from the true balance of things when it comes to wildlife in California. Man has invaded the territory of much of California's wildlife. Those who can cope with man, such as quail, turkey, and deer, will all prosper.

Properly managed, no species will be decimated, and a balance will allow all wildlife to prosper. Man does need to be a part of that balance, since it is man who upset the balance in the first place. Let DFG do its job. If we want to do something for wildlife, help create more habitat for all animals. We are just beginning to hear the mountain lion stories. There are now more depredation permits issued to landowners than at any previous time in the history of Napa County. It won't be long before a local lion carries off some youngster.

Remember, many of us have a hunter and gatherer instinct. It is okay to hunt and understand the meaning of providing. It should not be depressed in youngsters. Statistics show that young men who hunt and fish and understand more about wildlife are less likely to be involved in crimes and get in trouble with a gun.




Turkey hunts

I had a chance to go hunting with Joe Peatman and his son, Kehl. Joe and I have been lucky the last few years, and this was his son Kehl's first turkey hunt. We were successful; both father and son got two nice birds. Kehl's bird sported a 10-inch beard; it was taken in Lake County near Cache Creek.

On another hunt near Berryessa, I had a chance to go with Evert de Laat of Napa; he scored on his first tom. I spent some time in Mendocino County near Laytonville last week for two days, and the birds were getting pretty smart. We chased a few around for two days and the birds won.

We are now approaching the halfway mark in the season. The toms are still with the hens, and the hens are beginning to spend more time around the nests. I expect the toms to break away from the hens and start scouting around more in the next two weeks. This year's population of turkeys is very good and is growing each year. I have been out more times than ever, and we have seen or heard birds every time but once. On the ten hunts I have been on, we have scored four times. I have one bird for the season but hope to get another before the season ends in four weeks.




Salmon season

This Saturday, weather permitting, it is out to the open seas under the Golden Gate. Look out salmon! We will be with Ray Sercu and a salty crew to chase down some of the local salmon as the season officially opens. I will have a full report for you next week.

Next Saturday it's the trout opener on the streams for most of California, and the kids FREE fishing derby on Sunday at Lake Hennessey.

The annual Urban Park Concessionaires Charity Trout Derby kicks off this weekend. Call 925-426-3071
 
should have went for the head shot 1st

kid's real lucky he wasn't mauled. Once you wound any animal, it's likely to try to retaliate. some seem to realize when they've been struck a mortal wound, and try to take you to hell with them.
 
I would think

A head shot would be to risky,easy to miss a smaller target and
the cougars head was close to his friend's head.
I think they reacted better then most people in the bay area could have...
Except for me of course:D
 
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