(CA) Home intruder shot by occupant

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Home intruder shot by occupant

Resident spent night in his garage, anticipating return visit after previous thefts


By ROGER W. HOSKINS
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Last Updated: January 28, 2005, 10:39:43 AM PST

Greg Collins kept watch in his garage Wednesday night, two loaded shotguns by his side. He was on guard for thieves who had burglarized his Modesto home on Hackberry Avenue six times in three weeks.

Collins fell asleep but was awakened about 5:26 a.m. by a loud crash when someone opened the garage door and a large box he had laid against it scraped across the floor. The intruder turned on the lights and walked into the garage, toward a large piece of plywood that covered tools.

Still groggy from sleep, Collins grabbed a shotgun and told the intruder to freeze.

"He lunged at me," explained Collins. "I was very scared and I was panicky. He took about one step. I aimed low and shot him."

The intruder was wounded in the left elbow and hip. The wounded man begged Collins not to shoot again and ran. Collins left his gun behind and followed the wounded suspect part of the way down Hackberry to Needham Avenue.

Michael Sanchez, 29, of Modesto, ran two blocks before collapsing in the doorway of the Modesto Inn. He was treated at Doctors Hospital. He is expected to be released in a couple of days. When he is released, police say they will arrest him and charge him with burglary.

Modesto police spokesman Rick Applegate called the shooting "justified. (Collins) acted in self-defense."

Police said Sanchez has a criminal history for theft and an outstanding $100,000 warrant for his arrest in connection with the burglary of the La Loma Grace Brethren Church on Nov. 4.

Modesto police cautioned the public about imitating Collins or trying to take the law into their own hands.

"Private citizens are discouraged from using lethal force absent a threat to innocent lives," said Lt. Dave Cooperider.

And Applegate said ambushing bad guys was a really bad idea. "I'm not recommending someone lie in wait because the potential of them getting hurt increases."

That said, Applegate said, there was no "bad" in this story. "The guy locked his door and put a box in front of the door. The suspect took away his options. He put Collins in a position where he had to act."

Neighbors near the Hackberry home were quick to close ranks around Collins.

Asked if she thought the shooting was justified, April Weitl, 28, replied, "Absolutely."

Weitl lives directly across the street from the Collins home, which is being remodeled with an additional floor.

"Greg came over a week ago and expressed concern over constant break-ins," said Weitl. "My husband and I tried to keep an eye on the house, but when you're renovating, it's hard to know who belongs and who doesn't."

Neighbor could relate

Weitl said her garage had been burglarized before she started leaving the dogs out at night. She felt personally threatened when she was confronted at her home by what she termed "two drug users."

"Two men approached me in my car and I had the kids so I drove off and came back," said Weitl.

Loretta Carhart, 65, lives across the street and two houses down from Collins. "You doggone betcha I'm glad he shot him.

"There's been a bunch of burglaries." she said. "Another guy on Hackberry has been burglarized twice and two houses on Virginia were hit. I know one of the Virginia homeowners has a gun, too, and he thanked Greg for getting that guy."

Carhart said she was not ready to buy a gun. "But I do know some judo and karate. They've broken into my back yard a dozen times this last year. They've stolen a bicycle and my tools from my toolshed and parts off an exercise bike.

"They're coming from that Modesto Inn," claimed Carhart. "That's why we need security around there."

John Hinckley, a next-door neighbor, said he "slept through everything. I woke up when the police knocked on my door."

After the police left, he found his back door wide open. Somebody had pried it but nothing was taken. Evaluating the morning's events, Hinckley endorsed Collins: "I'm glad he defended his property."

Painter Jeremy Ojan was on his way to Collins' home to place a bid on work there. He arrived on the scene while police tape still surrounded the property. Initially worried, he breathed a sigh of relief when he heard the homeowner was OK, and his mind quickly returned to business: "As long as (the job) is still up for bid."

Rumor shrugged off

When he heard a rumor that the suspect might lose an arm because of the shooting, Ojan shrugged it off. "If (the suspect) loses it, he won't be able to climb through windows again. It's good that people are fighting back."

Collins said he didn't want to kill Sanchez. "I'm a Christian man. I don't want to hurt anyone."

That was why he used a light round, a No. 6 BB, in his shotguns. "That's what I use to hunt pheasant and I wasn't going to buy (heavier round) that might kill somebody."

Collins and police said he had been robbed at least six times in three weeks. Police confirmed Collins had reported two thefts, the latest on Tuesday.

In the first burglary, thieves took $5,000 worth of tools from the building contractor. Collins said he was hit again and again after he replaced some of the tools.

"They broke in Tuesday night but they left a lot of tools behind. I knew they were coming back."

He said he told his wife and an employee on Wednesday that "tonight's the night."

He also said he called police and told them he was going to sleep in the garage with his shotgun.

Applegate confirmed an officer had spoken to Collins on Wednesday about the thefts and his plans.

Collins initially asked reporters and photographers not to use his last name or show his face. But he changed his mind.

"I don't mind people knowing there is someone living here who would do this. Maybe this will stop it.

"This was about more than just losing my tools. My family has stayed here. It's about my right to live here."

Collins concluded that his conscience was clear. "I don't feel bad. I felt worse when I was being robbed all the time. This guy has cost me enough already. I'm going to work."

http://modbee.com/local/story/9846342p-10701490c.html

That police spokesman sounded surprisingly rational...
 
That said, Applegate said, there was no "bad" in this story. "The guy locked his door and put a box in front of the door. The suspect took away his options. He put Collins in a position where he had to act."
That police spokesman sounded surprisingly rational...
Agreed. The police spokesman put the blame squarely where it belongs, on the burglar. There's hope for CA yet.
 
I've got a real, big, stupid grin on my face ri' now. Oo-rah! The guy drilled a goblin and the police, his neighbors, and the article all support him!

Even that one quote about people not taking the law into their own hands is specifically qualified by saying it's because the homeowner might put themselves in danger of being hurt.

~Slam_Fire
Of course, now my big, stupid grin is gone because my boyfriend got robbed at gunpoint tonight.
 
Central California (excepting Sacramento) is actually quite rational. You can bet if this happened in LA or Frisco, you'd be reading the bizzaro version of the story.
 
Modesto police cautioned the public about imitating Collins or trying to take the law into their own hands.
I always find this statement somewhat absurd... tho I guess they are trying to quell any ''vigilante'' thoughts folks might have.

Discouraging - "trying to take the law into their own hands" ...... presupposes that LE will always be there to do it for you ... when in fact as most cops I know admit - no, they cannot be there for you much as they might like to be - just ain't practical or possible.

That leaves one possibility - defense of self - on the spot - unaided - thus helping avoid the chalk line and morgue! Keep a gun.
 
That was why he used a light round, a No. 6 BB, in his shotguns. "That's what I use to hunt pheasant and I wasn't going to buy (heavier round) that might kill somebody."

I always find it ironic that people think at a few feet, bird shot is less lethal than buckshot or slugs. It is still one big wad of lead flying at the guy.

Seems like it was good, and everyone supposrt him, which really suprised me.
 
The intruder was wounded in the left elbow and hip. The wounded man begged Collins not to shoot again and ran. Collins left his gun behind and followed the wounded suspect part of the way down Hackberry to Needham Avenue.

Huh :confused: .

If I just shot someone (who needed shooting) & decide to follow him I wouldn't set down the means to defend myself & chase after him. I would hope that I would be alert enough to notice the police cars (probably with lights & sirens running) come roaring up & set the weapon down on the ground & step back a couple of steps all the while pointing out where the wounded guy was. Assuming that I went running outside in the first place racing right by his buddy who was watching from the outside :what: .

Anyway good for him.
 
"The police spokesman put the blame squarely where it belongs, on the burglar."

That's true, but I also wonder about this:

"And Applegate said ambushing bad guys was a really bad idea. "I'm not recommending someone lie in wait because the potential of them getting hurt increases.""

The victim had his house burglarized six times in three weeks. Presuming the police were alerted and did virtually nothing, I wonder what they expected him to do.

Tim
 
Greg Collins kept watch in his garage Wednesday night, two loaded shotguns by his side. He was on guard for thieves who had burglarized his Modesto home on Hackberry Avenue six times in three weeks.
And Applegate said ambushing bad guys was a really bad idea. "I'm not recommending someone lie in wait because the potential of them getting hurt increases."
Does anyone else see a problem with this? You'd think that after burglary number six the local PD might take an interest and park a squad car out in front of his house or something. If the PD doesn't want people to stand watch over their property after six burglaries, perhaps they should move a little ass and protect and serve? No disrespect to the LEOs here, but that statement coupled with the circumstances really irked me. :cuss:
 
You'd think that after burglary number six the local PD might take an interest and park a squad car out in front of his house or something.
Completely impractical. You are responsible for your own safety. The police are here to investigate crimes and occassionally stop one. Always remember that.
 
uhh

"When he heard a rumor that the suspect might lose an arm because of the shooting, Ojan shrugged it off. "If (the suspect) loses it, he won't be able to climb through windows again. It's good that people are fighting back."


The badguy might bring a lawsuit if he feels he was "dealt a bad hand" but with an injured hip he doesn't have a leg to stand on...
:neener:
 
Completely impractical. You are responsible for your own safety. The police are here to investigate crimes and occassionally stop one. Always remember that.
Exactly...but the same police department chastised the guy for defending his property. In my book, the cops have two choices: defend a repeat burglary victim, or keep their yaps shut when he decides it's time to defend himself.
 
No disrespect to the LEOs here, but that statement coupled with the circumstances really irked me.
Personally, I'm cutting the guy slack on that one. The tone of the story seems to indicate that the police are supporting the homeowner. If I was a police spokesman in the state where Bill Lockyear is the AG, I'd probably want to issue some statements for the lawyers, regardless of if I actually supported those statements or not.

For an analog, take the current thread here about the lady who said she was "trying to blow the guys brains out". Many members have said she should never have made that statment because of the potential legal impacts. I think the police spokesman was just being cautious about the legal impacts of his statements. The next thing he said after not recommending people copy the homeowner is that, "there was no 'bad' in this story", basically giving a thumbs up to the homeowner.
 
Bam-bam31
"Quote:
"Of course, now my big, stupid grin is gone because my boyfriend got robbed at gunpoint tonight."




Is he okay?"

Yeah, I think so. He's sort of been... out of it since friday, though. I'm kinda worried about him, but I haven't the foggiest how to broach the subject with him.. >.<

~Slam_Fire
"Who knew what evil lurked in the hearts of men? A copper, that's who." ~Samuel Vimes, Night Watch
 
Collins said he didn't want to kill Sanchez. "I'm a Christian man. I don't want to hurt anyone." That was why he used a light round, a No. 6 BB, in his shotguns. "That's what I use to hunt pheasant and I wasn't going to buy (heavier round) that might kill somebody."

Good for him, but he needs to examine the shot patterns of #6 birdshot. At point blank range (like in a garage) it's plenty lethal.
 
Regarding 6bb as opposed to 00buck.

While the reasonable effectiveness of the two shot sizes is fairly equivalent at across the garage ranges it sure plays better in the press to claim that the 6bb is safer to shoot home invaders with "Cause I didn't want to kill anybody, unnecessasarily".

In this case the sometimes astounding lack of knowledge on the part of the press works for RKBA. ;)
 
The comments re: choosing birdshot over buckshot might also work against the homeowner; if he didn't feel justified in using lethal force, why did he feel justified in shooting?

Just another thought . . .
 
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