Cabelas: Voluntary back door gun registration?

[NavyLCDR]

My big question is this: Exactly WHO at the FBI or the BATFE would they be faxing the forms to? I am not aware of any collection of routine 4473s at either organization except for the warehouse that dealers send them to when they go out of business at BATFE.

 

[ArmedBear]

Exactly WHO at the FBI or the BATFE would they be faxing the forms to?

Someone with a fax hooked to a satphone in a black helicopter.

They have ultralight fax paper, so that the pile of faxes doesn't ground the helo.

 

[Big Daddy Grim]

Bought a gun at Cabelas yesterday and had no problems what so ever also no form, no phone number, and no call because I had my CWL. I wonder if there starting somthing down there.

 

[ArmedBear]

Here, Big Daddy, they're circling around in old A-10s, not black helicopters.

Most places, though, they have the helos.

 

[kurtmax]

I just bought a rifle yesterday. The new form (there is a new version since about a month ago or so that has checkboxes instead of Yes/No) has a box for 'dealer misc info' or whatever that they wanted me to write my phone # in.

 

[tkaction]

Put down the wrong phone number

 

[Defense Minister]

The last gun I bought I purchased at Sportsman's Warehouse, and they also asked for the phone number. They told me that it was "company policy". Since I was already giving them all the other personal info on the form, I didn't figure it would make any difference to give them my phone number, so, I wrote it down. It did seem a bit odd, though.

 

[renegade1alpha]

If there is not a place on the form for my phone number, then no need to add it. At least thats the way I see it. If they add a space on the form for it then I will provide it.

Anytime I buy anything and the clerk asks, "may I have your phone number please?" I politely say no. Only once did I have a clerk insist I giver her my number, and again I said no. When she persisted I just walked out the door leaving everthing I was about to purchase on the counter in front of her.

 

[Ergoman]

cabelas

Bought a cz last week in Dundee MI. They had me write my number (and have several times in the past) at the top of the form. They have stated it is in case of errors or recalls

 

[kludge]

In Indiana if a clerk asks for a phone number it's so they can put you on a call list.

Somewhere in the store they'll have a tiny sign that says if you voluntarity give your phone number then they can call and solicit you even if you are on the "do not call" list that prevents telemarketers from calling you.

 

[KBintheSLC]

Faxing a 4473 to the FBI? Dumb clerk, dumb clerk, dumb clerk

That sounds like the most likely case here. Ignorant clerk spouting feces from facial orifice. I doubt that the FBI even wants to deal with this considering that it is the BATFE's job. Federal agencies don't like doing extra work... heck, they barely like doing their own work.

PS... I am amazed at how many people on this post think that this is about a phone number.

 

[sernv99]

I like when the conspiracy theorists get all fussy like this, it helps us more logical folks pick up the guns that the anti-govie folks leave behind, all due to because they don't want to leave their phone number on a gun form.

Your SSN, DoB, address, etc. is a lot more useful than your phone number.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

So, azredhawk44, what's the update? Three days ago, you were calling for blood, saying you would contact legislators to change the law and start a FOIA request. Now, you've gone silent.

Did you hear back from the store?

 

[sernv99]

too late, the FBI swooped in and is holding him at Gitmo for interrogation purposes.

 

[TRGRHPY]

You know what, now that I think of it this same thing has happened twice in the last week with a different store here in Colorado Springs called Specialty Sports. After filling out the 4473, they ask for my phone # which I didn't think anything about, until...I asked if they would call me once I passed the background check and both times the answer was "no", that they were too busy to call people and that I should give them a call the next day.

So if they knew they weren't going to call me, then why ask for my phone #?

Like I said, I didn't think anything of it at the time, but now that you bring this issue up, who knows? I'll ask them tomorrow or this weekend some time when I'm over there again.

 

[Zach S]

I've heard of FFLs asking for a number before, for correction and/or recall purposes. I've been asked for mine so they could call when NICS called them back.

One guy told me a dealer used post-its, instead of writing a number on a federal form, that didn't have a place for the number.

As for faxing a copy to the FBI, never heard if it. Probably something he's heard from someone and he assumes its the truth, like teflon coated bullets being able to slide through kevlar (they are actually illegal here in NC because of that BS).

OTOH, he might have known to ask for the number, and didnt know why. When he was questioned, he made up an answer instead of "looking stupid" and saying "I dont know." That happens quite a bit.

Put down the wrong phone number

I dont care if there's not a spot for it, I aint lying on a federal form.

 

[DHJenkins]

He probably wants the gun for himself, so he's telling everyone that so they won't buy it.

 

[woof]

I'm confused about something (many things really but just one for this thread): what does the customer's phone number have to do with possibly faxing the form to the FBI? In other words, why does the salesguy answer the question, "why do you need my phone number?" with, "because we fax these forms to the FBI?" So, if the FBI really were filing away forms fax'd by Cabella's, they won't accept them unless the phone number is added to the top? Or, Cabella's is so civic minded that not only are they doing this for the FBI, they are collecting extra info beyond what the form asks for?

I'm hoping for more on this especially what the sales guy ends up saying as an explanation for why he did this.

 

[rbernie]

So, azredhawk44, what's the update? Three days ago, you were calling for blood, saying you would contact legislators to change the law and start a FOIA request. Now, you've gone silent.

Did you hear back from the store?

Still nothing?

 

[PvtPyle]

steveno: "Cabela's doesn't fax the 4473 to the atf. all of the 4473 information is entered into their computer version of the log book which is approved by the atf."

That's actually worse. No Cabela's for me.

Why is this an issue? They have the same LIMITED access to the paper bound book as they do the electronic. No more. Many of the mid to large sized shops if not most use the same ARS inventory tracking and digital bound book system. If you buy a gun in the SL valley the 4473 goes into the ARS system. It is easy to use and very quick.

Maybe you could explain what it is about it that makes you so paranoid.

 

[HisSoldier]

LOL, it isn't like the government can't find your phone number

The Government is the most inept stupid institution on earth, no doubt they could use some help finding a phone number, they can't see a tax cheat when they vett a Presidential appointee for crying out loud. Snicker

 

[22lr]

If it comes to collecting guns from 4473s wont we already have more problems then just guns? Just saying.

 

[Dokkalfar]

steveno: "Cabela's doesn't fax the 4473 to the atf. all of the 4473 information is entered into their computer version of the log book which is approved by the atf."

That's actually worse. No Cabela's for me.

Why is this an issue? They have the same LIMITED access to the paper bound book as they do the electronic. No more. Many of the mid to large sized shops if not most use the same ARS inventory tracking and digital bound book system. If you buy a gun in the SL valley the 4473 goes into the ARS system. It is easy to use and very quick.

Maybe you could explain what it is about it that makes you so paranoid.

not that i agree/disagree, as long as it stays at the store its not too bad, but still somewhat unsettling that they keep records at all :/

but what i think he means is that its alot easier for the govt to come in and copy the electronic data, easier to search through, easier to use and track firearms than a paper record, if it should come to that. its also probably pretty easy to convert the software to send all data to a central database if the govt initiates something of the kind.

 

[Art Eatman]

Probably best that we wait until the OP gets updated, and can re-start the thread anew.