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I am researching into a semi-auto 30-06 BAR since the ammo is cheap.

I am curious and would like to understand more about these calibers.
-.30-06 Springfield
-270
-7mm Remington Magnum
-300 Winchester Magnum
-338 Winchester Magnum

Which one would travel the farthest, project the most damage and strongest knocking-down power beyond 500 yards?
 
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The quick reply answer is that the magnum calibers are designed to give better performance at the longer distances.

They retain more energy and given the same bullet will have less drop (flatter shooting)

The 06 is a great performer and that includes distances beyond 300 yards. The magnum cartridges however will give better performance at the longer distances. If you need a 500 + yard rifle on larger game then it would be time to consider the magnums.
 
GOOGLE, and in this case Wikipedia is your friend
sorry but, there is no 'best' caliber, some do one thing, others do something else a little better. You find one that does what you want it to.
 
Caliber

Four calibers. Two .308", one .270", one .284", one .338".
Five cartridges. The magnum cartridges will do two things that enhance performance.....shoot the same weight bullets faster and allow the shooter to use heavier bullets. For instance, you can find and load 250 grain .308" bullets into a .30-06 case but velocity will be low compared to more normal loads, about 2100 fps. That same bullet loaded into a .300 Win. Mag case can be fired at 2400 fps. A 250 grain bullet fired out of a gun chambered for the .338 magnum cartridge can reach 2700 fps. The .338 can shoot bullets up to 300 grains at respectable velocity.
Pete
 
Four calibers. Two .308", one .270", one .284", one .338".
Five cartridges. The magnum cartridges will do two things that enhance performance.....shoot the same weight bullets faster and allow the shooter to use heavier bullets. For instance, you can find and load 250 grain .308" bullets into a .30-06 case but velocity will be low compared to more normal loads, about 2100 fps. That same bullet loaded into a .300 Win. Mag case can be fired at 2400 fps. A 250 grain bullet fired out of a gun chambered for the .338 magnum cartridge can reach 2700 fps. The .338 can shoot bullets up to 300 grains at respectable velocity.
Pete
There is your explanation, the difference between caliber & cartridge.................I am going to give you this one, but really there is only three calibers there, the .270 is a 7mm bullet.
 
-.30-06 Springfield
-270
-7mm Remington Magnum
-300 Winchester Magnum
-338 Winchester Magnum

Which one would travel the farthest, project the most damage and strongest knocking-down power beyond 500 yards?

Of the options two of the most powerful / accurate IMO would be the:
-300 Winchester Magnum
-338 Winchester Magnum

Make no mistake the: (Are not slouches either)
-.30-06 Springfield
-270
-7mm Remington Magnum

Every one of the mentioned cartridges are accurate and deadly at 500+ yds.

Keep in mind however that the .270 Win., 7mm Remington Magnum and .30-'06 don't have as much recoil as the .300/.338 Win. Mag's. (But the .30-'06 has a little more recoil than the .270 Win.) So the choice between which one to get is going to depend on your needs and in some peoples sensitivity to recoil for follow up shots if needed.
 
I have a BAR Longtrac in .30-06 and it is an awesome hunting gun and about 1 moa accuracy when warmed up but not too hot. If you want a hunting gun I recommend it highly. If you want a target gun bolt action is a better choice. Full disclosure I am a huge fan of the .30-06 and the 7mm rem mag.
That out of the way you mentioned ammo economics as a chief concern in which case .30-06 and .270 are going to be your best choices at about $15-$30 per box on average. Your magnum cartridges are going to cost about $30 per box and up.
As far as ballistics are concerned there isnt a huge difference between .270, .30-06 and 7mm rem mag. Inside of 250 yards the exterior ballistics are pretty much a dead heat for all the cartridges listed. The magnums are going to pack more energy into the terminal ballistics but on deer sized game they are all going to blow right thru and make the same sized hole within reasonable hunting distances. Large game hunters will benefit from the magnum cartridges. Recoil is stout on .30-06 and up and the 300 win mag and 338 win mag are not pleasant to shoot for most folks. .30-06 is big enough for anything on this continent is a pretty common catch phrase. If I had to pick on I would go to .30-06.
 
Which one would travel the farthest, project the most damage and strongest knocking-down power beyond 500 yards?

Well, they'll all travel miles and take just about any 4-legged animal down at 500 yards. They also carry probably carry enough velocity and energy to take a 2-legged animal down at 2,000 yards if the shot was reasonably possible. So, for practical purposes based upon potential distance of travel and power, there is no difference. But, there are other issues to consider.

You mention a few factors that actually have inverse relationships. The more power, the lesser the trajectory, and vice versa. So the first issue is power. A general ranking of those in power @600y would give you about:

1.) 7mm Rem Mag.....2111ft/s.....1484ft/lbs
2.) .300 Win Mag......1948ft/s.....1516ft/lbs
3.) .338 Win Mag......1747ft/s.....1355ft/lbs
4.) .270 Win............1905ft/s.....1047ft/lbs
5.) .30-06 Spr..........1766ft/s.....1039ft/lbs

As you can see, if shot accurately, critters are no match for any of these, even at 600 yards. However, there are differences that could be discussed. The .300 Win Mag carries almost 50% more energy than the .30-06 or .270 and barely edges out the 7mm Rem Mag. However, the 7mm Rem Mag is easily the fastest at this distance by a fair margin. Additionally, the larger calibers (the .338 especially) probably loses more velocity and energy than the others at longer distances because it's such a larger, heavier bullet. One could conclude that the .338 Win Mag would have an advantage in power at CLOSER distances, but is disadvantaged, relative to the others, at longer distances.

Now, you can look at trajectories. Which of those require the least amount of holdover, adjustment, and have the least amount of drop at 600y? A general ranking...

1.) 7mm Rem Mag.....-47.10
2.) .270 Win............-54.88
3.) .300 Win Mag......-56.89
4.) .338 Win Mag......-65.56
5.) .30-06 Spr..........-66.40

As with power, you can also see that their trajectories aren't too far from each other, but with a clear advantage to the 7mm Rem Mag with the .270 and .300 very close in 2nd/3rd, and the .338 and .30-06 very close at 4th/5th.

One last thing to consider between these 5 loads is recoil. You'll find some fairly significant differences between them. In order of least recoil to most, out of about an 8-pound rifle:

1.) .270 Win............~17.00ft/lbs
2.) .30-06 Spr..........~19.00ft/lbs
3.) 7mm Rem Mag.....~21.00ft/lbs
4.) .300 Win Mag......~26.00ft/lbs
5.) .338 Win Mag......~35.00ft/lbs

If you're like me, you won't care how flat the trajectory is of the .338. With that much recoil, I simply won't shoot it as accurately as it can be shot.

NOTE: These are aggregate averages. This puts the .30-06 at a disadvantage because you can purchase a wide array of .30-06 loads... Light, Fast, and with good trajectories, or heavy, slow, more powerful, and with lesser trajectories. The other 4 do vary, but not by such a large margin.

So... In summary, all will get the job done, even well past 500y. However, for a highly skilled shooter with particularly difficult tasks, some have slight edges over the others.
 
270 win: Fast flat shooter best suited to open country where longer shots are the norm, moderate recoil and just plain deadly on deer sized game with 130gr and suitable for elk class game with 150s. By far the most popular choice in my neck of the woods.
30-06: Versitle cartrage capable of effectively using an extreamly wide aray of bullet weights from 110gr varminters to huge 240gr bonded bullets capable of takeing anything in north America. Often considered the standard by which all other cartrages are judged, recoil can be a bit stout for some with the heavier bullet weights.
308: Think of it as 30-06 lite, it can nearly match the 30-06 all the way up to 180gr but in a short action, lighter more compact rifle, and burning 7-10gr less powder, reduicing recoil and muzzle blast to more managable levels.
7mm Rem Mag: 30-06 level power in a slimmer 7mm bore, giving it flatter trajectory and/or better ballistics for long range hunting, much like the 06 recoil is stout with heavy bullets, and long barrels are required to burn off it's large powder charge.
300 Win Mag: Possably the best cartrage ever made for elk hunting in open country, it is a beast of a 30 cal throwing 180gr bullets faster then the 7mm can sling it's 160s, only downsides are the heafty recoil, and it is highly overpowerd for hunting up close on deer class game.
338 Win Mag: Very popular hunting cartrage in bear or elk country and almost unheard of everywhere else, 225, 250 and 300gr bullets are all desigend for really big game, there are no varmint or CXP2 bullet choices, this gun is all about big game buisness. It steps recoil in to the truely harsh catagory, so it is not for the elderly or weak. Only bad thing you can say about a 338 win mag is that you could shoot a 375 H&H and get even more impressive results for the same recoil.
 
I was just reading through your other thread. If you want a rifle for hunting/"sniping," past 500 yards, then you probably don't want a semi-auto. Bolt rifles are much more accurate at those kinds of distances. Sure, the BAR is better than most, but you're not going to get sub-MOA accuracy out of it. At long distances, that magnifies considerably. For example, a 1.5 MOA BAR @ 600 yards is going to give you 9-inch groups (remember that you're battling wind, drop, etc...). A 0.5 MOA bolt gun would give you 4.5-inch groups. That can easily be the difference between a clean shot and a deer who will live another week and die of infection/loss of blood. I don't want the latter, and I hope everyone would agree.

So, do you want a gun for reasonable deer-hunting distances or long-range precision shooting? Those are two completely different games to play. There is absolutely no reason to shoot a deer at 600 yards, imo.
 
From top to bottom there it is a small step up with all of them. There isn't an animal on the planet I'd hunt with one, and not the others. All will work, but the 30-06 is my pick for all around use. There are some examples here that are showing some pretty anemic 30-06 loadings. It is much more capable than some posters have indicated. It gets my vote just on versatility.

The 338 offers the most energy on target, but with heavy bullets the 30-06 will equal it at close range. The 338's only advantage over a 30-06 is that it will offer that power at longer ranges.

The 7 mag is the flattest shooting, and beats the 300 mags at long range in both trajectory and retained energy. But when loaded with the right bullets the 30-06 is still adequate at ranges farther than most people have any business shooting.

The 270 and 30-06 are ballistic twins. There isn't enough difference in trajectory or energy numbers between the 2 to argue over.

Out to 500 yards they are a tie. Any of them are capable of taking elk or moose at those ranges if the shooter is up to it and the best loads and bullets are selected. The 300, 7mm and 338 mags offer the energy to do the same at 600 yards, although the 338 will suffer from a much greater arched trajectory.
 
From top to bottom there it is a small step up with all of them. There isn't an animal on the planet I'd hunt with one, and not the others. All will work, but the 30-06 is my pick for all around use. There are some examples here that are showing some pretty anemic 30-06 loadings. It is much more capable than some posters have indicated. It gets my vote just on versatility.

The 338 offers the most energy on target, but with heavy bullets the 30-06 will equal it at close range. The 338's only advantage over a 30-06 is that it will offer that power at longer ranges.

The 7 mag is the flattest shooting, and beats the 300 mags at long range in both trajectory and retained energy. But when loaded with the right bullets the 30-06 is still adequate at ranges farther than most people have any business shooting.

The 270 and 30-06 are ballistic twins. There isn't enough difference in trajectory or energy numbers between the 2 to argue over.

Out to 500 yards they are a tie. Any of them are capable of taking elk or moose at those ranges if the shooter is up to it and the best loads and bullets are selected. The 300, 7mm and 338 mags offer the energy to do the same at 600 yards, although the 338 will suffer from a much greater arched trajectory.
?? The 270 and 30-06 are ballistic twins??
?? The 30-06= 338 Win Mag up close??
So the 270win=338 win mag??
Sorry I think not, no 270 load is going to match the 220gr 06 for on target performance, and no 06 load is going to rival a bonded 300gr 338 Win mag on dangerous game even if you could make one penatrate as deep. When in doubt larger caliber and heavier bullet always tend to make for more damage on target even if the energy levels are the same (which in this case they are not)
 
No it isn't. It's 6.8x65mm

7mm, or .284 is 7.21mm
Yes it is..........
.270 Winchester;
Parent case 30-06 Springfield
Bullet diameter .277 in (7.0 mm)

7mm Rem. Mag.
Parent case .375 Holland & Holland Magnum
Bullet diameter .284 in (7.2 mm)
 
Yes it is..........
.270 Winchester;
Parent case 30-06 Springfield
Bullet diameter .277 in (7.0 mm)

7mm Rem. Mag.
Parent case .375 Holland & Holland Magnum
Bullet diameter .284 in (7.2 mm)

The cartridges in question are named after bore diameter not bullet diameter.

As is the case with your namesake


The 270 and 30-06 are two peas in a pod. In the same gun I never could distinguished one from the other by recoil and with top loads out to stupid distances their respective differences in trajectories are best expressed in fractions of an inch.


For pure accuracy at range 30-06 gets the nod as it had a wide variety of match bullets it can draw from compared to the meager selection you have in .277 dial projectiles
 
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a semi-auto 30-06 BAR


You lost me on this question, if it is a 30-06 BAR then the answer is 30-06. The others are all for bolt rifles. (or so I thought) You might be able to find a Remington 7400 in 270, but the 30-06 would be better in my opinion.

Jim
 
The cartridges in question are named after bore diameter not bullet diameter.

As is the case with your namesake


The 270 and 30-06 are two peas in a pod. In the same gun I never could distinguished one from the other by recoil and with top loads out to stupid distances their respective differences in trajectories are best expressed in fractions of an inch.


For pure accuracy at range 30-06 gets the nod as it had a wide variety of match bullets it can draw from compared to the meager selection you have in .277 dial projectiles
Roger That, no argument, but you can`t argue with they both shoot a 7mm bullet, not no 6.nothing it is 7x64............
 
There is your explanation, the difference between caliber & cartridge.................I am going to give you this one, but really there is only three calibers there, the .270 is a 7mm bullet.
And the .284 is a 7.2mm bullet by you own admission. Different bore, different bullet size, different caliber. Now if someone were talking about the .284 Win and the 7mm Rem Mag and the 7-08, that would be 3 cartridges but one caliber. By your reasoning the .270, .284 and .308 are all one caliber since the first number in the metric designation of the bore is a 7. By definition "caliber" is the measure of the diameter of the bore. Different bore diameters means different calibers. For example the Russian 7.62 cartridges are a different caliber than the NATO 7.62 cartridges despite having the same nominal dimensions and the .308 Win and .300 Win Mag are the same caliber despite the different nominal sizes. If you want to give someone flak about using words precisely, at least be correct yourself.
 
And the .284 is a 7.2mm bullet by you own admission. Different bore, different bullet size, different caliber. Now if someone were talking about the .284 Win and the 7mm Rem Mag and the 7-08, that would be 3 cartridges but one caliber. By your reasoning the .270, .284 and .308 are all one caliber since the first number in the metric designation of the bore is a 7. By definition "caliber" is the measure of the diameter of the bore. Different bore diameters means different calibers. For example the Russian 7.62 cartridges are a different caliber than the NATO 7.62 cartridges despite having the same nominal dimensions and the .308 Win and .300 Win Mag are the same caliber despite the different nominal sizes. If you want to give someone flak about using words precisely, at least be correct yourself.
Ah...nomenclature. Does start a good peeing match.
 
And the .284 is a 7.2mm bullet by you own admission. Different bore, different bullet size, different caliber. Now if someone were talking about the .284 Win and the 7mm Rem Mag and the 7-08, that would be 3 cartridges but one caliber. By your reasoning the .270, .284 and .308 are all one caliber since the first number in the metric designation of the bore is a 7. By definition "caliber" is the measure of the diameter of the bore. Different bore diameters means different calibers. For example the Russian 7.62 cartridges are a different caliber than the NATO 7.62 cartridges despite having the same nominal dimensions and the .308 Win and .300 Win Mag are the same caliber despite the different nominal sizes. If you want to give someone flak about using words precisely, at least be correct yourself.
You round up.........You don`t round down !
 
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