Caliber Wars and Pointless Statements

[Old Dog]

It's not a jab at anyone in particular and I own more Sigs than any other brand of firearms.

Oh, I know; just thought it was funny because I've made that very statement before on more than one occasion. (of course, it's garnered skepticism, but I don't care, got nothing to prove to anyone). I even have some 1911s that've never malfunctioned, strangely. But I'm probably a bit more obsessive about firearm maintenance than some people.

I will also confess to having made disparaging -- and ultimately pointless -- statements about mouseguns on many an occasion. And I probably will again. And I have no problem with the term "minute of bad guy," either...

 

[LiveLife]

"Just bought a gun ... What did I buy and is it any good?"

"Should I buy another gun?" < Asking on a gun forum >

"Look what followed me home from the gun store" < Yeah, right ... Sure >

"I need another gun like a hole in the head but I just HAD TO get this gun ... So I bought it"

"I didn't need another gun but this one was ON SALE!"

"I put two guns in the safe and they had babies!!!"

 

[Iwsbull]

I think that as long as it stays civil and lighthearted (on the jabs) that any discussion that gives any information or promotes the gun community is wonderful. Rehash, relive and use every cliche in the book just as long as people keep talking. I look at some forums and people will bash a new or sometimes older member that asks a question that might have been covered, a thousand times before. I look at it like this, it keeps a forum active and someone is interested be glad and treat them as you would anyone that asks for help with firearms.

 

[Bill_in_TR]

I never have understood the bashing of people who ask a question previously asked. A noob in particular can't win. On the one hand you get hammered for re-asking the question. But if you search first and find a previous thread but have additional questions you get hammered for resurrecting an old thread. If you don't like repeat threads or resurrected threads just skip over it instead of grousing about it.

 

[WrongHanded]

I never have understood the bashing of people who ask a question previously asked. A noob in particular can't win. On the one hand you get hammered for re-asking the question. But if you search first and find a previous thread but have additional questions you get hammered for resurrecting an old thread. If you don't like repeat threads or resurrected threads just skip over it instead of grousing about it.

I'm not sure if this is directed at me (the OP) in particular, or at another post in the thread. But this thread is about people making obvious statements. It's not about people asking the same questions many have asked before them.

 

[Bill_in_TR]

I'm not sure if this is directed at me (the OP) in particular, or at another post in the thread. But this thread is about people making obvious statements. It's not about people asking the same questions many have asked before them.

No. I was just responding to the post before mine. But at the same time it seems that people complaining about re-asking previous questions is an obvious statement. Sorry if I poached.

 

[mokin]

Bird shot is for birds. Buck shot is for bucks.

What is the best people shot?

Of course, slugs aren't for slugs.

You load salt for slugs.

 

[Skylerbone]

It’s not as if much content isn’t recycled and many of us still have .02 in our pocket to add. I’ve used the bank vault analogy before to express that, like a bank vault, this pistol is locked up tight (no rattle, no play, exacting tolerances).

My pet peeve are the outrageous statements of opinion expressed as fact, and I’ve seen examples already in this thread. Irks me far more than relaying a general group size such as MOSodacan.

I think we see far more of this in the handgun section because rifle shooters in general have factors like wind drift that aren’t a real consideration of SD. There one can truly argue the merits of a particular caliber over another until someone throws out tales of what the “venerable .270” can do.

 

[Old Dog]

"Just bought a gun ... What did I buy and is it any good?"

"Should I buy another gun?" < Asking on a gun forum >

"Look what followed me home from the gun store" < Yeah, right ... Sure >

"I need another gun like a hole in the head but I just HAD TO get this gun ... So I bought it"

"I didn't need another gun but this one was ON SALE!"

"I put two guns in the safe and they had babies!!!"

Some of the stuff many of us say does come across as a bit ridiculous. Maybe we need to get more creative with the intros when we want to post of pic of our latest acquisition. However, often the storiesof how someone acquires a new gun, particularly if it's a classic or interesting model (i.e., the lucky guy who just picked up that absolutely mint, unfired 2.5" Python) are interesting, topical, funny or all of the above.

And I get that a lot of newer gun owners want to look for validation (and usually, we give it to them); I'm not gonna be too hard on them. We grow our community by being supportive, not derisive. But yeah, sometimes the questions do get a little silly.

One comment I don't like seeing anymore (in fact, starting to hate it) is something along the lines of "Guns? What guns? I lost them all in a tragic boating accident." Sorry, dudes and dudettes, but the boating accident references are tired and no longer remotely amusing.

 

[1942bull]

There are men whove died from BB pistols and men whove survived hits from 16" naval guns.

It's all angels dancing on the ends of pins.

I think the above says it all. As the great Chesty Puller once said, “you can’t hurt ‘em unless you hit them.” So that is #1. After that it’s all a matter of degree of injury.

 

[armydog]

I don't see the point of caliber wars. Either your confident it what you work with or you aren't. If you're not, then find something else. There is a lot of stuff out there with a track record of abysmal failure that people still will only carry for one reason or another. Some for a good reason too. I don't agree with using certain calibers for what some people use them for, but I won't bash them personally, I'll wish them luck anyway... cause they're going to need it.

 

[Old_Grouch]

I look at some forums and people will bash a new or sometimes older member that asks a question that might have been covered, a thousand times before. I look at it like this, it keeps a forum active and someone is interested be glad and treat them as you would anyone that asks for help with firearms.

I never have understood the bashing of people who ask a question previously asked. A noob in particular can't win. On the one hand you get hammered for re-asking the question. But if you search first and find a previous thread but have additional questions you get hammered for resurrecting an old thread. If you don't like repeat threads or resurrected threads just skip over it instead of grousing about it.

I agree completely.
I run into this occasionally on a photography forum that I've moderated for many years. If you see a book on a shelf that you're not interested in don't read it. How hard is that? Why belittle the author for having written it? The same principle applies to threads on a forum. It's a discussion forum, not a database. If you don't want to discuss something, don't.

 

[Pat Riot]

Well, my points have already been made so rehashing them would be pointless.


This post (my post) is actually pointless.
I gotta go…

 

[Roknstevo]

This gent survived a 58 to the head. View attachment 1034870
Kevin

I wonder if it made him stutter a little bit?????

 

[CDW4ME]

I don't see the point of caliber wars.

Not picking on you.

I don't think what constitutes "caliber war" is clearly defined.
To me it is a nonsensical term invoked basically whenever someone doesn't like a caliber discussion.
I'll give an example:
Someone posts they usually carry a 32 but a 9mm when they feel the need. (If they are not receptive to comment or question, why post it)
A typical response from me would be, you would rather defend yourself with a 32 than a 9mm?
Guess what might get subsequently posted ...

 

[crstrode]

" Are these not blatantly obvious and therefore pointless statements to make?"

As is the original post . . .

 

[Hangingrock]

To be bluntly honest I simply don't really care what caliber someone else utilizes. Its their choice and my choice may not be the choice of others. So be it. My only combat experience was with the 1911A1 45ACP. USMC did care what my thoughts on the subject were. I was taught the basic marksmanship and maintence procedures. They did not ask my opinion but what was expected of me was to apply what I had been instructed to do in actual usage.

 

[Oldschool shooter]

I tead once that more people, aside from war time, have been killed with 32 caliber than any other diameter of bullet. That does not mean I advocate it for self defense. Caliber arguments are pointless.

 

[CraigC]

My favorite is anytime a question is asked about what particular single action revolver or holster is best for concealed carry, you invariably get all manner of folks bludgeoning the OP over what a bad idea it is in the first place. It's never anyone really qualified to weigh in on the subject. It's folks like the butthurt "trainer" this week on Facebook who called me a liar when I told him my times for five rounds on target at 7yds was the same as his with a semi-auto. Even though I posted a link to a thread on this forum from 7yrs ago. It's never anyone who's actually spent enough time with a single action to be proficient with one. It's never a CAS shooter. Always an IPSC type.

My second favorite is those who enter a discussion of terminal ballistics with the "shot placement is all that matters" argument. If we're talking about the advantages or disadvantages of one bullet over another, shot placement is a given.

 

[Thomasss]

Another Pointless Statement: "There will be blood running in the streets and shoot outs like the cowboys of the old west." with conceal carry, open carry or constitutional carry.

 

[GEM]

I read a history of western gun play and for the most part, it was constrained to some 'bad' areas in town. If the bad guys wandered out of those areas, the local good people armed up and shooed them back into this neighborhood.

That's what's happening today. We do have a fair amount of criminal gun usage and blood but it is in specific neighborhoods. However, it not due to legal carry.

Whenever, a study shows that an area with more lenient carry laws has more crime, one has to ask if those crimes are committed by legal carriers - the answer being NO or we don't know. The anti-gun criminologists will be looking for new open carry and constitutional carry states to see if crime increases but will they ask if the crime is from those groups?

 

[kje54]

Another Pointless Statement: "There will be blood running in the streets and shoot outs like the cowboys of the old west." with conceal carry, open carry or constitutional carry.

And the "old west" association is derived mostly from TV shows/movies that took the dime novel approach that gunfights in the old west happened every half hour or so. In reality gunfights were relatively rare and usually happened between lawmen and the bad guys with the occasional shot being fired in anger in a saloon.
Heck from 1870 to 1930 there were 11000 murders in Chicago, that's an average of 220 homicides per year and Chicago wasn't the "old west".

 

[Skylerbone]

The anti-gun criminologists will be looking for new open carry and constitutional carry states to see if crime increases but will they ask if the crime is from those groups?

Most assuredly they will not. In fact most don’t report crime statistics at all, simply the “number of shootings”, with no differentiation between Police, lawful, self-defense, suicide, accidental, or homicidal. Those “statistics” are what’s trotted out as evidence that all firearms are bad firearms.

 

[Thomasss]

I just had another squabble with a "fiend" or rather friend. She keeps referring to the problem as "gun violence" rather than violent crimes. So what is she actually saying, she doesn't like violence or is it just not ok when it is gun violence. The NRA says watch-words for the use of "gun violence" as if bats, knives and hammers don't count. ( Support your local "fiend" notice "r" is missing, Addams Family TV show episode politician1964 lol)

 

[Roknstevo]

I just had another squabble with a "fiend" or rather friend. She keeps referring to the problem as "gun violence" rather than violent crimes. So what is she actually saying, she doesn't like violence or is it just not ok when it is gun violence. The NRA says watch-words for the use of "gun violence" as if bats, knives and hammers don't count. ( Support your local "fiend" notice "r" is missing, Addams Family TV show episode politician1964 lol)

If some idiot accosts me while in my pickup, they are very likely to feel violence in the form of my customized, modified, high velocity axe handle prior to my shootin’ iron being deployed.