California AB2062 resurfaces! Must stop it!

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We all need to act on this. Call these state Assembly members and tell them to OPPOSE AB2062. THIS BILL MUST BE STOPPED. It was supposed to be dead, but it was taken off suspension...apparently as a sort of sneak attack to catch us off guard.

They are voting on this on the 22nd! Call as many as you can as often as you can. It's just a few minutes of your time which can make a huge difference.
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Mark Leno(D) - Chair 13 – San Francisco (916) 319-2013

Mimi Walters(R) 73 – Laguna Nigel (916) 319-2073

Anna M. Caballero(D)28 – Salinas (916) 319-2028

Mike Davis(D) 48 – Los Angeles (916) 319-2048

Mark DeSaulnier(D)11 – Martinez (916) 319-2011

Bill Emmerson(R) 63 – Redlands (916) 319-2063

Jared Huffman(D) 06 – San Rafael (916) 319-2006

Betty Karnette(D) 54 – Long Beach (916) 319-2054

Paul Krekorian(D) 43 – Burbank (916) 319-2043

Doug La Malfa(R) 02 – Biggs (916) 319-2002

Ted W. Lieu(D) 53 – Torrance (916) 319-2053

Fiona Ma(D) 12 – San Francisco (916) 319-2012

Alan Nakanishi(R) 10 – Lodi (916) 319-2010

Pedro Nava(D) 35 – Santa Barbara (916) 319-2035

Sharon Runner(R) 36 – Lancaster (916) 319-2036

Jose Solorio(D) 69 – Santa Ana (916) 319-2069
 
I have just sent e-mails to them. I will follow-up tomorrow with
a) postcards
b) calls
 
California

I know that many of you are not from California and many of us who do reside in California have the attitude that as quick as I can, I'm going to leave.

What happens here in California does effect the rest of you.

When gun control is squashed here in California, the rest of you don't have to deal with it in your part of the country.

The problem here in California is that we have been defending gun rights where what we need to do is go on the offense.

I don't have the answers, but what I do know is what we need new tactics and we need to expand our support base.

What will need to be developed is a "liberal angled gun rights" support movement.

Conservatives generally are great on guns, but need improvement in supporting other parts of the bill of rights.

Liberals are strong on the 1st amendment, privacy rights, but are terrible on guns.

A gun rights movement whose focus is that the real is that if we lose our guns, all of our other rights are gone and do so in such a way that anyone who hears our message will "get it" will be most effective.

The other side won't go for a "all out ban" because they know they would fail so what they try doing is slipping in these laws that non gun owners think are reasonable.

The people voting for these bills have tuned us out. When they get nailed by their constituents not for voting against gun rights, but voting against the whole bill of rights, that is when we will nail them.



Nicki
 
Well, I moved from that prison of a state, and to be honest, I hope they pass the bill. The gun owners in CA will not step up to meet the antis on their own ground. Everytime someone suggests an open holster protest at the steps of the Capital, voices keep chiming in telling them it's the wrong time, wrong place, whatever to keep them from doing so. Put a thousand people on their doorstep, they'll listen. CA's cannot just keep abdicating their responsiblity to the NRA, they have to make the effort themselves.


As soon as it's passsed, I'm looking for a van and getting a business license. I'll sit at the Pilot station on the weekends selling ammo, laughing my way back to the bank.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde
 
Well, I moved from that prison of a state, and to be honest, I hope they pass the bill.
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And that right there shows part of the bigger problem... Even people who are pro-gun are against CA.
 
Gee, thanks Clyde.

You left.

'Nuf said.
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I left because it became unbearable to watch my rights slip away and not be able to do anything about it by myself. Just try to organize a thousand gunnies to march on Sacramento and see what you're met with, and how such a task is near impossible. The people there will continue to take it because they can't be bothered to pull their faces away from the internet or American Idol, and would rather abdicate to the NRA or some other gun org. to say they did their part.

And that right there shows part of the bigger problem... Even people who are pro-gun are against CA.
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We live in the age of instant communication and world access in a moment. It really shouldn't be difficult to get a thousand or more people to Sacramento, but they all have an excuse.

Step up or step away, that's your choice. All the phone calls, faxes and near non existent NRA presence in the capital will do nothing, and that's a fact. Arnold will sign whatever bill comes across his desk, the Ammo bill, the biometric sensor bill, all in the name of saving just one child. You are best seen and heard, not just electrons flowing thru the lines to the legislators.



Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde
 
Californian's, here is my question to you:

What can people from other states do to help your movements? How many protests have you organized/attended in the last 5 years?

I'm with Clyde on this. I lived there for a few years when a lot of bad laws were passed. Everytime I mentioned "active" activism, the pro-gun people would jump down my throat "not now" "its too early" "don't jump the gun".

Organize a protest, I'll drive 1500 miles to support you. There's not much else people can do from out of state (we can't contact your senators/legislators as we don't live there). And the people who still live there need to step up and DO something IMO.
 
Well, I moved from that prison of a state, and to be honest, I hope they pass the bill.
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For all of you, if it just happnes in CA, "I'm ok with that".

You might want to look into the history about laws being passed in CA 1st... we tend to be the 1st, but then other states/feds adopted those laws. Just something to think about. We are also have the largest population, hell I'd be willing to bet we have more gun owners then some states have population.
 
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You're right about that California connection when it comes to other states taking their lead from them. I remember years ago one of my college professors telling me that typically California and Florida were looked to by other states when it came to new and defining state legislation on any number of issues.
 
Caveat: I'm a relative newbie, and without any experience in the CA gun activism realm, but what about the simple fact that California is BIG? Other states can get lots of people to the capitol because it only takes 1-3 hours to drive there. With California, you're talking about (for many people) 4-8 hour drives, making a protest more than a day trip. Include gas prices and traffic...I'm sure you can see the problem.
 
Even for us that are with in 50 miles of the capitol its not easy to get too.

For me its 33 miles from my house( I do alot of work in that area), It takes me alteast a hour, at rush hour its 2.5 hours... then there is parking and other crap... for me to take a half day off and go to the capitol, it cost me around $500. I'm lucky enough that I can do that, most people I know can not.
 
Caveat: I'm a relative newbie, and without any experience in the CA gun activism realm, but what about the simple fact that California is BIG? Other states can get lots of people to the capitol because it only takes 1-3 hours to drive there. With California, you're talking about (for many people) 4-8 hour drives, making a protest more than a day trip. Include gas prices and traffic...I'm sure you can see the problem.
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Even for us that are with in 50 miles of the capitol its not easy to get too.

For me its 33 miles from my house( I do alot of work in that area), It takes me alteast a hour, at rush hour its 2.5 hours... then there is parking and other crap... for me to take a half day off and go to the capitol, it cost me around $500. I'm lucky enough that I can do that, most people I know can not.
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And this is why your rights are being pilfered at every oppurtunity by the CA government. Is it not worth $500, or is there only a certain amount your rights are worth? Your statement is why no one wants to show up, because there's some monetary value associated with the action. Are you a member of the NRA, do you give generously to them? How about any other orgs., do you give to them as well? That money could be of more use by org. a march to restore all your rights, not just the second, but as the 2nd provides the teeth to the rest, it will take the highlight issue.

Excuses like yours are exactly why I left, because no one thinks it's worth the effort, literally.

Oh, and the whole "it spreads from CA" thing. No, it doesn't, look at the states that are doing something about our immigration problem where San Franfreakshow welcomes them. We'll keep sending them running to CA and happily.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde
 
And this is why your rights are being pilfered at every oppurtunity by the CA government. Is it not worth $500, or is there only a certain amount your rights are worth? Your statement is why no one wants to show up, because there's some monetary value associated with the action. Are you a member of the NRA, do you give generously to them? How about any other orgs., do you give to them as well? That money could be of more use by org. a march to restore all your rights, not just the second, but as the 2nd provides the teeth to the rest, it will take the highlight issue.

Excuses like yours are exactly why I left, because no one thinks it's worth the effort, literally.

Oh, and the whole "it spreads from CA" thing. No, it doesn't, look at the states that are doing something about our immigration problem where San Franfreakshow welcomes them. We'll keep sending them running to CA and happily.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde
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and thats why I was at the last protest about the ammo serailization crap...

While I can aford to lose $500, most people can not. For many familys thats the diffrence between eating or starving. I honestly don't think you read my post. I'm sure when it came right down too it, you losing a right and feeding your kids of a month, you would chose your kids every time.


If you really don't think it spreads from CA...Takes those blinders off that high horse of yours.
 
and thats why I was at the last protest about the ammo serailization crap...
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And how many gunnies showed up, from what I understand, less than 50?

While I can aford to lose $500, most people can not. For many familys thats the diffrence between eating or starving. I honestly don't think you read my post. I'm sure when it came right down too it, you losing a right and feeding your kids of a month, you would chose your kids every time.
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In this age of carpooling, I wouldn't have found it difficult to put 3 more in my car from my area of Riverside. Hooked up at a motel and all 4 sharing the cost of fuel and lodging. Sacramento was about 7 hours from where I lived, and I drove there all the time when I worked in the cell tower industry, so the roads were familiar.

What will you have left for your children if you don't spend the money now? Of course you're going to have to budget it in, but at some point, you're going to have to decide if you can afford the fight or just stay to be comfortable and accept the consequences.

I don't think there is a fight left, I think it's already to the point of no return, but according to most, It's still too early. I moved, yippeee for me I'm freee again.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde


If you really don't think it spreads from CA...Takes those blinders off that high horse of yours.
 
Getting there is not what costs you, its the loss of wages... not every one has paid vacation or sick days.
 
Getting there is not what costs you, its the loss of wages... not every one has paid vacation or sick days.
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See, you're doing it again with the whole money thing. There's this thing, you know, what our Forefathers did, it's called sacrifice. I spend way too much money on causes I believe are just, and I sacrifice monetarily as well as physically with my time and labor (which is money) for my beliefs.

Do you want to protect your children, then leave them a legacy they can be proud of. If someone can't afford it, offer your own so they can help your cause.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde
 
So if the choice was between feeding your family for a month or going to a rally that only minorly hindered your "rights"

you would go to said rally?
 
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