California assault weapons owners.

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I was living in the People's Republic when they started passing gun laws hot and heavy. The 50 cal ban. (thanx arnold, you nitwit)

The drop safety tests for handguns which eliminated most of my favorite handguns.

And the assault weapon ban. Only, when I was there, if you had an assault rifle (AR, e.g.; pistol grip, flash suppressor, high cap mag) you were grandfathered in.

Did that change? Did they change the law and people who had registered an assault rifle were required to turn them in?

BTW, I moved not long after that.
 
During mid-2000s, the CA DOJ gave up it's ability to classify firearms as assault weapons by listing them by make/model.

So, in CA, there are three categories of assault weapons.
Category A and B assault weapons are assault weapons because they are listed by make/model as assault weapons.
Category C assault weapons are assault weapons because they have certain features that classify them as assault weapons.

So, if you have a firearm that is not listed by make/model and does not have any restricted features, than that firearm is not considered an assault weapon.

Here is a picture of a CA legal AK pistol.
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In their infinite wisdom, the CA politicians seem to think that a wood stock rifle with a 22 inch barrel firing a full size rifle round is an "assault weapon".
 
Some smart folks came up with items such as the BUllet BUtton, it replaces the magizine release button, so that you cannot just push down onit and drop the mag. You need a sharp item such as a bullet tip to depress the mag release button. A few people in So cal have been selling aks, ar, etc modified like this. You should see the aboniation that Bushmaster came up with for the CA market. You got to break it open to lead the built in magizine.
 
gee i still have whatever ARs and AKs i had from before

for anyone who didn't have their's before the AWB, there was still the SKS and M1a

the Ultimate CA Urban Rifle, for me at least, is the VZ 58. it's better than any AK and loads faster without contortions...it has a stripper guide built into the breach block
 
mljdeckard said:
Quiet-

That is only correct if you acknowledge that many SKS owners in California BECAME felons only by their possession of forbidden rifles, and had to turn them in and were prosecuted.
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The Norinco SKS-D, SKS-M, SKS Sporter debacle.

The Roberti-Roos Assault Weapon Ban of 1989 banned the SKS with detachable magazine [PC 12276(a)(11)].

From 1992-1997, the Norinco SKS-D, SKS-M and SKS Sporter were sold in CA.
Those SKS used detachable AK magazines.
Legislation [PC 12281] was passed so that FFL dealers and people who bought/sold/transfered those SKS were given immunity for violating the Roberti-Roos AWB of 1989.
Those persons affected were given until 01-01-2000 to sell those SKS out-of-state or turned them into law enforcement for monetary compensation.
 
Somebody within the last year posted a 'flow-chart' for California, where you start at a given point, and by the end can determine whether you can have a semi-auto sport rifle with certain features.

The 'flow-chart' resembles a diagram of an aircraft DC electrical system, with various relays, TRs etc.

Notice, if not already, that most GB sellers refuse to ship semi- rifles to a California FFL.
 
Of course. Everything was all ok then. Gun owneres were legislated into becoming criminals and had to get rid of their guns after the CA DOJ went back on their word. No problem at all. Except for the legitimate owners who didn't understand the law and got caught outside the amnesty.
 
+1 on calguns.net. Bullet button is a very popular choice if you want a rifle that just looks like a free state rifle. You're limited to 10 round magazines and you have to use a tool to drop the mag.

But if you want a fully-functional rifle you can start with an off-list receiver, remove all prohibited features (including the pistol grip), and use your legally-owned 30-round mags. Problem is if you remove the pistol grip it's difficult to hold the weapon. There are several products on the market to address this issue, the U-15 stock, the Monsterman grip, the Kydex grip-wrap. My company makes the Hammerhead stock adapter:

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There are 300,000 AR-15 rifles in CA with 100,000 new ones being added annually. I have no idea how many AKs there are. So yes it's very possible to legally own an evil black rifle in CA. Our website has more details on the legal issues.
 
Guys, I am the last person in the world to be called an expert. But if I were an eager-beaver California DA or whatever, I would, if presented the opportunity, work very hard to get those versions pictured above where the stock does not attach to the grip declared pistol grips. I know there are some definitions in the law that have to do with how the web of the hand lays and whatnot.

But in my humble opinion, those versions where the stock is attached to the buffer tube rather than the grip are really just raked-back pistol grips.

I am not trying to be a buzz-kill here and I think that Hammerhead is kind of neat but...just saying...watch out. From a simple man on the outside looking into your world...I see a funny looking pistol grip...so too might the gov'mint.

...Just saying...one friend to another...

Good luck!!!

PS. If it were me, I'd go the bullet-button route...but what do I know...I guess I live in a free state where life is good...the beach not so much.
 
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Now we just need to find armored-car services willing to sell 30-rounders to fellow Kalifornians... (see post #54 in the Hammerhead Grip thread in Rifle Country)
 
Thanks for the comments.

CA law is very clear in defining what is and isn't a pistol grip.

CA law (11 CCR 5469) defines a pistol grip very precisely as a "grip that allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger while firing."

Hammerhead keeps the web of your trigger hand up above the entire trigger, and is therefore not a pistol grip under CA law.

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-Mark
Exile Machine LLC
 
Roger that Lowracer.

Those California politicians must have too much time on their hands. I think the Hammerhead is really cool. All the luck in the world to you and your product.

QB
 
Originally Posted by mljdeckard

That is only correct if you acknowledge that many SKS owners in California BECAME felons only by their possession of forbidden rifles, and had to turn
them in and were prosecuted.
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Somewhat untrue/overdramatic.

Those individuals had a chance to register them as AWs after Roberti-Roos promulgation. They didn't, and ended up in possession of illegal AWs. There was even a 2nd 'amensty' reg period in early 90s (92? 94? can't remember) where they could've.

The buyback/cleanup problem ended up because DOJ said some SKSes were exempt from consideration. Any intelligent person with an 'SKS with detachable magazine' registered such an SKS as an AW or got rid of it.

Anyone following the law and not skidding by on incompetent advice didn't get in trouble (asking DOJ clerks about gun laws is like asking an IRS phone operator about tax law).




Bill Wiese
San Jose CA
 
The 'flow-chart' resembles a diagram of an aircraft DC electrical system, with various relays, TRs etc.

Notice, if not already, that most GB sellers refuse to ship semi- rifles to a California FFL.
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Well,that's because a lotta GB sellers are idiots with an inadvertent yet plain pro-gun-control agenda.

We have plenty of national distributors shipping in non-AW black rifles to CA now, plus intermediary FFLs that will acquire firearms to transfer into CA from recalcitrant FFLs - so nobody here needs to buy used GB crap when they can buy new :)


Bill Wiese
San Jose CA
 
No non-felon who registered their firearms as assault weapons has ever had to involuntarily turn in their assault weapons.
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Yet. Give them time. If we keep going the way it is, they will one day.
 
I have a featureless build that utilizes the Monster man grip allowing me the use of my pre-ban 20-30 round hi cap mags.
 
Question-

What if someone wants to move to CA and legally owns one where they currently live, are they able to register it within some time period upon becoming a CA resident???
 
What if someone wants to move to CA and legally owns one where they currently live, are they able to register it within some time period upon becoming a CA resident???
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There's no more registration of long guns in CA. So if you have a CA-illegal configuration you need to make it legal before you bring it there. There's no grace period. Work through the calguns flowchart to be sure you're kosher before you cross the state line. I like this interactive version: http://calnra.com/cgi-bin/flowchart.cgi
 
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