California Supreme Court - Same Sex Marriage - Guns

Status
Not open for further replies.

Michigander

Member
Joined
Feb 9, 2004
Messages
1,301
Location
Michigan
I cannot find a transcript of the arguements, but I found it interesting when watching it on CSPAN.

The defense attorney was very knowlegable, prepared an articulate.

What I found a bit disturbing was when some of the justices brought up the the Second Amendment.

The case is not about the constitutionality of same-sex marriages, but only concerns whether or not the mayor of San Fransisco (or any mayor in California) has the authority to issue marriage lisences to same-sex partners in violation of California state statutes.

The argument by the defense was made that any public official, in this case the executive branch, must consider first the constitutionality of any law prior to enforcing it. Secondly, if there is any question, the official should look to prior court precident via the State Attorney General or other avenues.

There were a number of cases in which an official chose not to enforce a rule or law which he/she believed to be unconstitutional. In those opinions, it was acknowledged, in some cases stressed, that indeed all public officials must consider the constitutionality of the law they are going to enforce.

After the defense, to me, made a very strong case, a couple of the justices brought up a question (I'm paraphrasing): "So, if a mayor of a city decides that a particular law regarding firearms is unconstitutional, then he/she has a duty to ignore and/or violate that law?" This question was itterated a few times in different wording. IIRC, the defense attorney stood firm on her ground and said, basically, that yes, that would indeed be the case.

The tone of voice, facial expressions and general demeanor of the justices who asked that question indicated to me that to them, this hypothetical question had an absolute, obvious, inescapable answer. It was as though they were throwing it out there as a, "see, it can't be so, because what would it mean for firearm laws if they were deemed unconstitutional by a mayor(s)?"

Of course they did acknowledge there was discussion/debate as to the meaning of the Second Amendment, but it was obvious, at least to me, why they used that particular hypothetical.
 
When the mayor first started ILLEGALLY issuing licenses I wondered why a mayor of some other city could not just start handing out 200$ NFA Tax stamps for citizens to start making machine guns. If you let a mayor of some city be the arbiter of constitutional law the entire federal system breaks down. Had he been issuing licenses for people to start building up sten kits there would have been a 500 strong RAID on the mayoral residence. Instead he got to play criminal and will never see a minute of a jail time or a cent of fines.
 
the entire federal system breaks down.
That breakdown happened decades ago, and was initiated by the Federal government which has decided to make it its practice to ignore the Constitution, specifically for gun laws, but also the Interstate Commerce Clause, and the First Amendment (see McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform).

Anybody want to go in with me for $100 and buy an anti-McCain billboard some time in October?

Rick
 
Welp, it better be before Sept 7th, 2004, since that would be a violation of federal law. Interesting that the AWBan expires round about that same time.

If you want to see about doing a billboard, Alan Korwin of http://www.gunlaws.com is a fan of them. [email protected]

If you can get some momentum, we might have some activism.

It'll cost $600 for a small-ish billboard.

Rick
 
The JPFO has in the past matched funds for putting up pro-2A billboards. They said the offer and funds were limited, and that was in 2000. Such donations were also tax deductable.

http://www.jpfo.org/alert20000327.htm

I heard they put up some controversial billboards in the past. Actually, I read that in Unintended Consequences. In there John Ross talks about a billboard they put up with a picture of Adolf Hitler on it.

It might have been like this bumper sticker they sell:

bumpers-righthand.jpg


If you want to put up a billboard, at least check out the JPFO's web site, they have some images and ideas as well as phrases. There is also a story of a billboard the SAF put up in Tampa just after the Elian Gonzalez debacle, so you might want to check out the SAF for ideas too.

For years, I've wanted to put up that Hitler billboard just off the George Washington Bridge entering Manhattan. A million people a day would see it. It wouldn't come cheap though.
 
Who is running against McCain? Much as I would like to see McCain out of the Senate, I'm concerned that the Democrat running against him would be worse. At least McCain votes with the Republican bloc for the leadership of the Senate; as closely-divided as the Senate is, we might end up with Democrats running the Senate if McCain is ousted in the general election.
 
Once you are into the government imposed "Shut the Hell up" period, get together with several persons of like mind and make sandwich boards with your message on both sides and mount them om the beds of pickup trucks. They can be up to 8 x 8 feet if you use 4 pieces of plywood and frame it. Then anchor it securely in the back of the truck and park it in conspicuous places or drive it around.
 
The part where the Chief Justice Ronald George asks the question about city/county officials ignoring gun control laws is at 45 minutes into the proceding.

Justice Kathryn Werdegar brought the issue up again at 1:14.

Justice Joyce Kennard revisited the issue at 1:46.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top