Call for Action: Remington Police Reproduction!

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  1. TTv2

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    Did anybody else who emailed Pietta get a response? I got one today and the person who replied said the Remington Police is something they have long wanted to do, but haven't been able to focus on given the cost and time needed to get it going on top of the current demand for stuff they already produce.

    Personally, I'm just glad to hear that it's not a flat no and even the folks at Pietta would like to make them if they could. That's probably the best response I've ever gotten from a company after I contacted them about introducing a new product.
     
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  2. ThomasT

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    Thats a positive response and if they thought they could make money with them I bet they would set up and start cranking them out. But on the Google news that pops up on my IPad it keeps saying that Italy is in for a new wave of Covid and even stricter shut downs. So I suspect the supply of guns already made will continue to be scarce to non existent for a long time. But maybe someday...
     
  3. expat_alaska

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    Snicker. The person who responded is a Pietta PR rep whose job is to assuage folks like you not to get discouraged about your wishes. In reality, it is all about the marketing bean counters deciding whether it is a viable option, but with the pandemic going on for over a year, Pietta (and Uberti) have a huge backlog of orders to fill just with guns in their current product line. EMF is owned by Pietta: check out how sparse their inventory is.

    About 4 years ago I had a desire for a Pietta Dance .36, but Pietta was only producing the .44 model. I wrote a few times to Pietta and my only response from them was that marketing would look into the viability of it.

    After doing some research, Pietta produced a Dance .36 in 1996 as a consignment revolver for Tony Gajewsky. (I have one.) Pietta broke the contract by selling some of them on the European market. Gajewsky sued and won, and the terms of the lawsuit stated that Pietta could never market a Dance .36 again.

    Pietta never stated anything about that in their email response to me.

    You want an 1858 Rem .44 5.5"?

    Taylor's & Co. Model 1858 Army by Uberti, 44 caliber - Black Powder Pistols & Muzzleloader Pistols at GunBroker.com : 896214963

    Regards,

    Jim
     
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  4. Ugly Sauce

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    Doesn't sound like the Dance thing would encourage a company to make a revolver at anyone's request. Make a revolver for someone, and get sued because that someone wanted to corner the market. ?
     
  5. expat_alaska

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    That is not the case at all. Pietta violated the terms of the consignment contract by selling to others not part of the contract.

    I scored this one as part of the Dr. Jim L. Davis collection over a year ago. It is SN C00013, one of only 35 produced with the Angleton Texas barrel stamp.

    Pietta-Dance-36-C00013-Cased-004.jpg

    Pietta-Dance-36-C00013-Cased-005.jpg

    Last year I collected all of the info about both Pietta and Uberti Dance revolvers I could find and created a thread on another forum. It might be of some interest.

    Replica 1862 J.H. Dance And Brothers .36 and .44 Revolver (Pietta and Uberti) (blackpowdersmoke.com)

    Regards,

    Jim
     
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    I got one from Amber who wanted to know if I was asking about the Colt police model they make. I sent her a picture. Well, this picture...

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  7. TTv2

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    I emailed Phoenix Arms last year after getting their .22 and really enjoyed it, so much so I asked them to make a .32 ACP version on a larger frame. They said in a brief message that they're focused on production, not expanding their line, but may offer more calibers in the future.

    I've called Berry's in the past about making bullets for .32 revolvers and the person on the phone said that they made wadcutters for the .32's about 10 years prior, but discontinued them due to lack of demand. I countered with how at that time there was a recession and people were panic buying AR's, not .32 revolvers and that in the last 5 years the expansion in popularity of .32 revolvers is increasing demand.

    Still, didn't sound like there is much interest over at Berry's.

    Compare those to this response from an "export manager" (probably because he speaka da English) and them saying it's something they've wanted to do and are very open to doing it if they had a lull in orders and the capital, space, and time to get going on a reproduction, that's a very different statement than the other two and coming from someone who isn't just a standard employee in customer service.
     
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    Demand for anything that pops is very high right now. If Pietta had 5000 of these in a cargo container right now they’d sell every single one for 5 bills a unit. Next year? Who can say?
     
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  9. expat_alaska

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    Walkers and Dragoons, maybe. Navies and Armies, more like $400. Remmies, I dunno. Last month at auction I won a DGW/Armi San Paolo Remmy .44 7.5" barrel (stamped DGG) AH/1981 for $320, basically unfired.

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    Regards,

    Jim
     
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  10. woodnbow
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    Yes but you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a NMA Remington .44... a Remington .36 PO-PO with a 3, 4, or 5” tube? Cool factor off the charts! And... my wife would make me buy a couple of each barrel length so that’s at least 6 sales right there!
     
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    Sign me up but I'd like it in a cartridge conversion.
     
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  12. TTv2

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    I'd like both, I like shooting percussion and cartridges, but the issue with the .36's is the groove diameter being too large for a .38 LC or Spl. It's not a dealbreaker like with the Colt open tops as you can buy a spare barrel are have it re-lined. It's costly, but it can be done. The Remingtons... you don't get that option and considering how the only NMA's in .36 are built on the giant Army frame, they don't make much sense anyway.

    An idea I've floated in the past is to size the chambers and the bore for a pellet of 000 Buck and not a .375 round ball, that way the groove diameter is smaller, closer to that of what .38's shoot. I don't think there's a chance of it happening because Pietta/Uberti only warranty the guns for black powder shooting, but like, who in the US has ever sent their Italian repro back to the boot country for warranty work? These repros are basically all guns sold without a manufacturer warranty. Also, it's not like it requires all sorts of tooling and fixturing to drill chambers .015" smaller in diameter or shrink the bore and groove diameter the same amount.

    But people don't seem to like that idea, I guess cuz it's not authentic.
     
  13. CraigC
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    A factory cartridge conversion would obviously have the correct dimensions for standard .38Spl ammunition.
     
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