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Cameras accuse 2,600 of speeding
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Nearly 40% of offenders caught in Copley Road area; fines near $500,000

By John Higgins, Andale Gross and David Knox

Beacon Journal staff writers

Nestor Traffic Systems photographed more than 2,600 alleged speeders this fall -- snapping as many as seven cars a minute -- in and around Akron school zones.

The take in fines in that 19-day period: nearly half a million dollars.

The tripod-mounted mobile cameras nailed the most drivers in the 1400 and 1500 blocks of Copley Road, near Erie Island Elementary School in West Akron. Nestor nabbed more than 1,000 drivers there and issued $182,000 in fines, nearly 40 percent of the total.

The second-busiest stakeout was in the 400 block of Darrow Road near Betty Jane Elementary School in Goodyear Heights: 301 vehicles were photographed, and $51,250 in fines was generated.

The site that netted the fewest violations -- just one -- was in the 700 block of Lovers Lane, near where a 10-year-old boy going to school was killed by a hit-skip driver in September.

Among all the violations, the average speed was 12 to 13 mph over the limit, according to an Akron Beacon Journal analysis of data supplied by Nestor to Akron officials.

In many cases, the cameras didn't cut much slack: 40 percent of those fined $150 were going 10 mph or less over the posted limit. One person was going only 5 mph over a 20 mph limit.

More than 100 people got more than one ticket. A half dozen of those got three tickets each, with fines totaling $450 to $650.

Many of those ticketed had no idea they'd been caught until they received a letter, or two letters, with a photo and the amount owed.

Some had seen the tripods and suspected they'd been snapped.

Akron school board member Linda Omobien was one of them. ``I was getting off the expressway at Copley Road, and I turn onto Copley, and I had no idea I was going that fast,'' said Omobien, who admits she was speeding and paid the ticket. ``This is going to make us all cognizant of what we need to do.''

Photos may be too early

Catherine DeLuca, wife of All-American Soap Box Derby director Anthony DeLuca, saw the mobile van and tripod Nov. 2 on East Tallmadge Avenue but was sure she wasn't speeding.

According to Nestor's records, she was speeding in a school zone at 2:11 p.m., supposedly at a restricted time when the speed limit would be 20 mph.

But she called Findley Elementary School and was told that students aren't released until 2:30 p.m.

She appealed to Akron police, who agreed that she shouldn't have been ticketed.

She wasn't the only one who may have been wrongly ticketed. Nestor clocked its first car at that site that day at 2:02 p.m. and nabbed 25 other drivers before 2:30 p.m.

Allen Hine got two tickets in the mail -- one for $150 and one for $250 -- before he even realized the program was in effect. He wonders if he should appeal, but questioned whether it would be worth the effort. ``You're kind of screwed,'' he said. ``If I'm just driving and nothing dramatic happens, I don't remember it.''

Floyd Radford didn't remember speeding on Newton Street on Nov. 18, but the $150 ticket he received in the mail Monday said he was driving 45 in a 35.

``I just think it's unjustified,'' said Radford, 68, of Goodyear Heights. ``I think it's an underhanded thing.''

Radford, who is retired from Hamlin Steel and is a part-time custodian at Goodyear Heights Presbyterian Church, believes the ticket stems from a trip he made to the grocery store.

``I just drive with the flow of traffic,'' he said. ``I'm probably guilty, but the fine is awful stiff. I have a good driving record.''

Akron's law

Akron's speeding law is clear, sort of. It's 20 mph in school zones during recess and ``while children are going to or leaving school during the opening and closing hours.''

The Akron Law Department is looking into exactly what ``opening and closing hours'' means.

Akron's schools -- public and private -- have different schedules and recess hours. Also, flashing lights are a courtesy to drivers, not a requirement of the law. Nestor also is ticketing speeders who exceed the posted limits near school zones.

Akron's 90-day trial period with Nestor doesn't change any laws, only how they're enforced.

Nestor collects $19 from each paid ticket. It's a civil infraction rather than a criminal one, so it's not reported to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles and does not add points to a driver's license.

Although the private Rhode Island company sends the initial and follow-up letters to the registered owners of the photographed vehicles, it is not in charge of collecting fines. That responsibility belongs to the city, which can pursue unpaid tickets in small-claims court, said Assistant Akron Law Director Stephen Fallis.

Views of police

Akron police said they were already monitoring most of the areas that the cameras are targeting. ``We hit the schools on a regular basis,'' Lt. Tom Hanley said. Of drivers, he said: ``We weren't getting their attention. Now we are.''

He said police were receiving frequent complaints about speeders around Betty Jane, Erie Island, Forest Hill and Findley elementary schools. Those areas are among those in which the cameras have been used.

Hanley said the new system is allowing traffic cops to branch out and pursue other projects, such as working with the State Highway Patrol to clock speeders on U.S. 224 near South Main Street and Interstate 77 near White Pond Drive.

Police union leader Paul Hlynsky called the camera program a ``ridiculous technique'' that takes work and control away from officers.

Proposal for change

Akron City Councilman Garry Moneypenny, D-10, said he agrees that Akron police need more enforcement, but the system needs adjustments.

Moneypenny, a Springfield Township police captain, said he will suggest that the city use the ticket money to buy digital message boards that tell drivers how fast they are going. The ``smart boards'' would collect data on speeders for one week, giving them warnings but no tickets. The following week, the cameras would be in use in the same location, and drivers would be ticketed.

``You slow people down for two weeks now and maybe three weeks,'' he said.

In Westlake, a suburb west of Cleveland, police Capt. Guy Turner has been giving Nestor a tryout in his town of about 35,000, but the system is not issuing citations, only collecting data. Tuner's boss won the 30-day trial in a raffle at a police chiefs conference in Toledo this summer.

Nestor set up cameras in problem areas and is collecting data. The city is unlikely to act until a bill severely limiting automated ticketing is decided in the state legislature.

``I think we want to show some good faith here,'' Turner said. ``If the legislature decides to ban this kind of automated enforcement -- and I hope they don't -- it wouldn't reflect well on us that we raced under the deadline to get these devices into service and issue citations.''

He said perception is everything. ``You have to use it judiciously,'' Turner said. ``This discussion has been going on for years. It can't be a revenue stream. It's supposed to be -- and it ought to be -- for traffic safety.''
 
Does anyone else think that the 20mph school zone is antiquated and needs to be reconsidered?

Aren't all playgrounds either fenced or in the back of the schools these days? Crosswalks need to be honored. Speed limit for most city streets is 35mph. Is this really a problem in 2005?
 
Henry Bowman said:
Does anyone else think that the 20mph school zone is antiquated and needs to be reconsidered?

Aren't all playgrounds either fenced or in the back of the schools these days? Crosswalks need to be honored. Speed limit for most city streets is 35mph. Is this really a problem in 2005?


In general that sounds nice, but enforcing the crosswalks is going to be a lot tougher than enforcing a severe speed restriction.
 
Photoblocker spray. Yeah, it really does work if they use a camera with a flash, but it won't work if they use CCTV cameras.

It makes the plates flare if a flash hits them, so they can't be read. Way cheaper on eBay than from the maker's site, though.

In the UK, speedcams are such a nuisance that you can buy a GPS-based alert system that warns you of one coming up.
 
I remember when LE first started using this method some years back. The story on the news was about a guy who received his ticket in the mail. With the ticket was a snap shot of him in his car as he was speeding. As retaliation he sent back the ticket with a picture of a $100 bill, which is what his fine was. I remember getting a good laugh at that. I never learned what happened to the guy after that, but I'm sure he ended up paying for it one way or the other.

If these become common I'll have to buy that GPS alerting system or I'll end up walking.
 
Unless the cameras are set up in multiples to watch each other, I expect a lot of them would wind up vandalized or destroyed...
 
I heard about that guy as well. The cops sent him a picture of handcuffs. He paid.

You can check out the story on snopes.com
 
Henry Bowman said:
Speed limit for most city streets is 35mph.
Here in Colorado Springs they just changed the speed limit on all unmarked residential streets to 25MPH.

Blissninnies love to control people and forcing stupidly low speed limits is just one little way they get to feel good about themselves and raise a little money for their favorite cause (government).

So Henry, why to you hate the children?
 
Simple solution-stay at or below the posted speed limit. Why is everybody in such a hurry?
 
I've kind of always figured that in this society it will only be a matter of time before all of the ticketing becomes automatic. It's really the only way they'll be able to effectively monitor so many roads, and as you can tell from the article they get insane revenue because they can catch virtually every speeder that goes by the camera. Eventually people will find some way around it or just slow down I guess.
 
Henry Bowman said:
Does anyone else think that the 20mph school zone is antiquated and needs to be reconsidered?

Aren't all playgrounds either fenced or in the back of the schools these days? Crosswalks need to be honored. Speed limit for most city streets is 35mph. Is this really a problem in 2005?
I drive a standard transmission car. I can't go 20 MPH unless I drop down to maybe 2nd gear.

But what bothers me more is that the different schools are on different schedules, and the cops say flashing lights are a "courtesy" rather than a requirement. If somebody doesn't tell me when the 20 MPH limit is in force, how the blank am I supposed to comply with it ... drive 20 MPH any time I go past a school?

And I still have philosophical problems with ticketing the vehicle. If someone else is driving my car and they get pulled over by an officer, the driver gets the citation, not me. I think photo tickets are unconstitutional and should not be limited, but outright banned.
 
"Simple solution-stay at or below the posted speed limit. Why is everybody in such a hurry?"

I'm not sure about everyone else, but when I'm stuck behind someone doing 35mph on a posted 35mph road I have very little patience to stay behind that person. I'll look for anyway to get around that person and continue on with my drive. I'm of the thought that 5-10mph over the speed limit isn't a bad thing and for the most part police don't pull you over for that.

Geez, next thing they'll be citing people this way for tailgating. WHAT, tailgating is a bad thing? No way! Damn, they're trying to take away all my fun. :mad:
 
Let me see if I've got this right. They take a photograph of my car speeding and I'm guilty?

What if someone else is driving?

It would be interesting for someone else to persue this. This flies in the face of the entire "innocent until proven guilty" concept.
 
The entire concept and practice of speeding is a sucker's game. You can go fast enough beyond the flow of traffic to make it worthwhile. Do the math, or try an experiment. Next time some A-hole is speeding and tailgating you, just pull over and let him pass. 9 times out of 10, you'll both be at the same place down the road. He'll be all stressed out and you won't.
 
The way speed limits are supposed to be set

"Simple solution-stay at or below the posted speed limit. Why is everybody in such a hurry?"

I was reading that speed limits are set using a formula that the maximum safe speed is the speed that 85% of the drivers travel at.. It is further reduced by special dangers such as schools and residential areas.

The reason I think these laws are bad is that they are created by assuming that at least three out of twenty people deserve to be punished.

Ex. First, set to 45 because people drove between 40 and 50. Now anyone driving 50 is breaking the law. If by a miracle, everyone started driving between 40 and 45, then the road would be reassessed to have a maximum speed limit of 40. If everyone then drove 35-40, it would go to 35. The only way for the speed limit not to go down if for at least 15% of people to break the law.

Seems evil to me
DW
 
Hey, I think R.H. Lee just called me an A-hole. :rolleyes: In all actuality I say your idea of getting to the same place at the same time maybe happens 10-15% of the time. Most times, the person going slower is long gone in my rear view mirror. But damn I'd love for some of these slow drivers to pull over and let this A-hole go by. That would be outstanding!

Plus those things don't frustrate me. Next to shooting, driving fast is one of these stress relievers you have to have in life.
 
If you're important enough to speed everywhere you go, you're also important enough to have an escorted motorcade. :p
 
Henry Bowman said:
Does anyone else think that the 20mph school zone is antiquated and needs to be reconsidered?

Aren't all playgrounds either fenced or in the back of the schools these days? Crosswalks need to be honored. Speed limit for most city streets is 35mph. Is this really a problem in 2005?

I drive through a school zone with a crosswalk and crossing guard on my way to and from work. I have been driving though this zone for well over five years at all different times when it is active. On any given school year I have counted no more than four crossings a year by kids at this crosswalk. I decided to take a (very unscientific) survey among my co-workers who have kids and have not been able to find a single one, regardless of distance from the school, who has their kids ever walk to or from school. In fact, most won't even make their kids ride the bus if it's available. They will, however, jump through all kinds of hoops to do otherwise. Sad if you ask me.
 
Sinsaba said:
It would be interesting for someone else to persue this. This flies in the face of the entire "innocent until proven guilty" concept.
It is also illegal in the sense that every one accused of a crime, by law, has a right to face their accuser... camera timing and camera calibration can be brought into question as well... surprised that nobody has fought such charges. While I support law enforcement keeping speeders in check, I suggest that most of these radar cameras are installed to raise revenue, not stop speeding. Big difference.
 
Henry,

Speeding around schools is a problem in Utah. There seems to be at least one child injured or killed each month in crosswalks when schools are in operation. Last week a crossing guard was killed up around Ogden, while in a crosswalk, by a "distracted" driver.

This is not to say that photo-cop is the answer. But I've had people swing into the turn lane in the center of the road and blast past me when I've been observing the 20-mph restriction when kids are going to and from school. It would appear that the 10 seconds someone may save on their commute is more important that someone's life.

There is no doubt in my mind that some sort of action needs to be taken in this area to protect kids and crossing guards from drivers that just don't give a damn!
 
R.H. Lee said:
Maybe because 99% of them are guilty?
No... that's really not the reason. I suspect that many are fearful of the bureaucracy of contesting a fine with the only payoff being a removal of proposed fine; paying the fine is often the fastest way to make it go away; guilty or innocent. Contesting such a charge means taking time off from work and a court appearance. Before you just assume that all "are guilty" you should think about the frequency of electronic error; camera radar setups frequently need calibration and trees and other stationary objects have often been observed traveling at great speeds by these radar setups! As I said, i doubt a charge could be substantiated due to law which mandates that guilty have a legal right to face their accuser. Demanding calibration records would be an ideal recourse as municipalities never keep these up to date due to high cost.
 
The expense of a day off work would more than be offset by the savings of a fine and increased insurance premium due to the moving violation conviction. There are codified standards for the use of electronic devices in traffic enforcement, although I'm sure they vary among municipalities. If the 'people' can't prove the standards were met, you've got a good chance for a dismissal. That is unless you know damn well you were exceeding the speed limit.
 
R.H. Lee said:
That is unless you know damn well you were exceeding the speed limit.
The point should also be made that such mechanization of the law enforcement process as speed trap radar/camera setups is ripe for abuse by those within the system; i.e., I would be curious to find out, for the municipality of West Akron, how many of 2,600 tickets assigned were to City employees... unless I missed my guess, I would suggest the following: 0!
 
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