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That's what I figured
but hard to tell if not smilies are added for emphasis. Denis just about wrapped this one up... OP you have all the wisdom THR can provide. 
Can I shoot these out of my 686+?
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but hard to tell if not smilies are added for emphasis. Denis just about wrapped this one up... OP you have all the wisdom THR can provide. Vern Humphrey
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The real sleeper here is end-shake. If there's any fore-and-aft play in your cylinder, it will move slightly forward when the hammer falls, and then recoil backward when the cartridge fires. At that instant, only the cylinder "knows" the bullet is gone, and it recoils independently of the frame.
As time goes on, more and more jolts can lead to a tiny stretching of the frame, which leads to more end-shake, which leads to more battering at each shot, an so on.
There's really no reason to fire super-hot loads, especially not a steady diet of them. One way or another, they will accelerate wear on your gun.
I'd just point out in passing that today's generally-available commercial .357 Mag ammunition is loaded to lower velocities & pressures than it used to be.
The BB stuff is actually not much hotter than what the .357 Mag was when first developed.
You flat can't afford to shoot it as range fodder, so it's doubtful anybody's gonna be putting enough through a Smith (or anything else) to make any difference whatever in the gun's longevity.
Not to mention the Smith L-Frame was specifically built for relatively heavy magnum use.
I had one of the first ones out, wish I'd kept it.
Buddy has used his for a hunting backup with heavy loads.
No problems.
The BB is really a non-concern.
Denis
The BB stuff is actually not much hotter than what the .357 Mag was when first developed.
You flat can't afford to shoot it as range fodder, so it's doubtful anybody's gonna be putting enough through a Smith (or anything else) to make any difference whatever in the gun's longevity.
Not to mention the Smith L-Frame was specifically built for relatively heavy magnum use.
I had one of the first ones out, wish I'd kept it.
Buddy has used his for a hunting backup with heavy loads.
No problems.
The BB is really a non-concern.
Denis
Hammer059
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Good point DPris.
And Jim K, as stated in the original post I already have a bunch of these sitting on my shelf...
And Jim K, as stated in the original post I already have a bunch of these sitting on my shelf...
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The "reviews" are interesting. I always read these on Midway.
In this case three things stand out: People like BB ammo. There are occasional signs of overpressure (I've found this to be true with BB over the years as well). This is a load primarily used for hunting.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/92...ow-point-high-velocity-box-of-20#ReviewHeader
SAAMI is a voluntary organization. Ammo manufacturers are not obligated to join. Once they do join they agree to adhere to SAAMI specs for max pressures, safety standards, etc.
But if a outfit does not join it does not have to adhere to SAAMI standards. It can load to higher pressures than SAAMI standards if it determines they are safe in modern guns.
BB has a lab. They test pressures of their rounds in that lab. They do not want to produce loads that will damage modern guns.
Below is a list of SAAMI Voting and Supporting members.
http://saami.org/member_companies/index.cfm
SAAMI standards are set with a margin of error in mind. The industry knows from experience that when loading ammo on an industrial scale slight errors can occasionally be made. So SAAMI pressure specs take that into account.
Boutique ammo shops are supposed to take more care in the prep of ammo. If they are a member of SAAMI they may, with more confidence, skirt the top levels of SAAMI specs. If not a member of SAAMI they can cross that spec and still be safe in modern guns.
If you read enough re-loading manuals you'll see that the figures given for "max" loads vary from Sierra to Lee to Speer, etc. They all have a margin of error in mind and advise reloaders constantly to proceed with caution. To go above their max doesn't mean it is unsafe in a given gun. It does mean that the margin for small errors is getting tiny.
tipoc
In this case three things stand out: People like BB ammo. There are occasional signs of overpressure (I've found this to be true with BB over the years as well). This is a load primarily used for hunting.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/92...ow-point-high-velocity-box-of-20#ReviewHeader
SAAMI is a voluntary organization. Ammo manufacturers are not obligated to join. Once they do join they agree to adhere to SAAMI specs for max pressures, safety standards, etc.
But if a outfit does not join it does not have to adhere to SAAMI standards. It can load to higher pressures than SAAMI standards if it determines they are safe in modern guns.
BB has a lab. They test pressures of their rounds in that lab. They do not want to produce loads that will damage modern guns.
Below is a list of SAAMI Voting and Supporting members.
http://saami.org/member_companies/index.cfm
SAAMI standards are set with a margin of error in mind. The industry knows from experience that when loading ammo on an industrial scale slight errors can occasionally be made. So SAAMI pressure specs take that into account.
Boutique ammo shops are supposed to take more care in the prep of ammo. If they are a member of SAAMI they may, with more confidence, skirt the top levels of SAAMI specs. If not a member of SAAMI they can cross that spec and still be safe in modern guns.
If you read enough re-loading manuals you'll see that the figures given for "max" loads vary from Sierra to Lee to Speer, etc. They all have a margin of error in mind and advise reloaders constantly to proceed with caution. To go above their max doesn't mean it is unsafe in a given gun. It does mean that the margin for small errors is getting tiny.
tipoc
TomJ
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I shot 6 of them through my Model 66 a month or so ago and it was fine. As with any higher pressure ammo, I wouldn't subject my guns to a steady diet of it, but as long as your gun is in good condition you should be fine.
I use a number of Buffalo Bore rounds for SD and have noticed that they do warn you against using their ammo when it may damage your gun. They have a hotter .40 round and they specifically warn against using it in Glocks with factory barrels. By way of another example, I use their 115 grain +P+ Buffalo Barnes ammo in a couple of my 9's. I wanted to confirm that it shouldn't be used in my LC9S Pro, and received a confirmation e-mail from Mr. Sundles that I should not use it in that gun. My point is that their track record is not one of telling their customers to use their ammo regardless of the circumstances, but to let us know when it is and when it's not safe to use their product. If they say it's safe in a modern gun in good condition, I tend to trust them.
I use a number of Buffalo Bore rounds for SD and have noticed that they do warn you against using their ammo when it may damage your gun. They have a hotter .40 round and they specifically warn against using it in Glocks with factory barrels. By way of another example, I use their 115 grain +P+ Buffalo Barnes ammo in a couple of my 9's. I wanted to confirm that it shouldn't be used in my LC9S Pro, and received a confirmation e-mail from Mr. Sundles that I should not use it in that gun. My point is that their track record is not one of telling their customers to use their ammo regardless of the circumstances, but to let us know when it is and when it's not safe to use their product. If they say it's safe in a modern gun in good condition, I tend to trust them.
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Not my choice for a 10K endurance test.
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