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Can we please stop saying "Assault Weapon"

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by miamivicedade, Feb 1, 2013.

  1. miamivicedade

    miamivicedade Member

    Jan 1, 2009
  2. M2 Carbine

    M2 Carbine Senior Member

    May 29, 2003
    I look at "assault weapon" just like "Saturday night special".

    It is usually used in a anti gun way.

    Just today a lady started talking about "assault weapons". As usual I asked her what is a "assault weapon", and of course she didn't know.

    So I completely threw her off track by making it clear she didn't know what she was talking about.
  3. miamivicedade

    miamivicedade Member

    Jan 1, 2009
    And I do the same when people use that term around me. But we gun owners and advocates should not be using a term like that. It's a term that misleads people, and as Cruz said, makes people uncomfortable.

    We will never get more people on our side if they continue to believe that an AR-15 is an "assault weapon".
  4. InkEd

    InkEd Senior Member

    Oct 16, 2009
    Parts Unknown
    I completely agree! I made a joke about it in another post.

    Mine are counter-assault rifles! They are for protection.
  5. BearGriz

    BearGriz Member

    Jul 10, 2011
    I know this isn't towing the "party line," but I don't care if we/they call them "assault weapons" or "EBRs" or "military-style rifles."

    A rose by any other name is still a rose.

    I'm pretty sure that firearms enthusiasts called them by all of those terms before the gun grabbers did, and in the end I think we look actually sort of silly whining about semantics rather than debating the issues.

    But if you think that "assault rifles" is pejorative or implies something evil, then you can refrain from using that term. Personally I don't mind it; I've called them by that term for years and never thought it implied anything evil. Instead I've sought after these firearms because they were so close to their full-auto counterparts. If they weren't so similar, we wouldn't like them so much. I like "assault rifles," and I'm not ashamed to say it.

    We act like the omission of select fire (in favor of semi-auto) transforms these firearms substantially. In my book they are still really, really close, and to me that is actually a selling point.

    However, I will admit that terminology is a part of politics. Republicans had a clear agenda in mind when they worked hard to change "estate taxes" to "death taxes" in common discourse. One person says they are "pro life," and another claims to be "pro choice." You have people "defending marriage," and others seeking "marriage equality" and "civil rights."

    In all these cases, the terms are meant to frame the debate, but I think that most of us most of the time are not swayed by the semantics. Instead we look into the real issues and weight the merits of each case.

    And lastly, when it comes to these types of firearms, I think most Americans have made up their minds what they think an "assault weapon" is. (This ship has sort of sailed.)
  6. Solo

    Solo Member

    Sep 15, 2004
    Yes, but you're more likely to sell canola oil than rapeseed oil.
  7. BHP FAN

    BHP FAN Senior Member

    Sep 23, 2008
    Northern California
    words matter. If we can't keep it straight, how in the heck can we educate anyone?!
  8. coloradokevin

    coloradokevin Senior Member

    Mar 22, 2008
    This whole campaign for stricter gun laws is being built on the basis of a fancy word game... the enemies of gun rights are marketing to the American public by using any number of the different buzz words/phrases we've heard over the years. This includes "assault weapons", of course, but also includes plenty of other phrases we've heard over the years:

    "reasonable restrictions"

    "fringe gun owners"

    "high-capacity magazine"

    "military grade ammo/weapons/slings/whatever"

    We need to at least be mindful of the fact that how we talk plays a role in how successful we are at preserving our rights. I really think we're doing ourselves a disservice by referring to our guns as "assault rifles". They aren't assault rifles, they're simply rifles. Calling them assault rifles is no more useful than calling them "murder sticks" (a term I hope the left doesn't try to pick up on from this thread).

    These rifles ARE modern sporting rifles, they ARE semi-automatic rifles, they ARE useful rifles. They ARE NOT "assault rifles". Any time I use that term these days, I try to put it in quotations, just to emphasize the fact that the colloquial term for these guns is not necessarily the most accurate or representative way to refer to them.
  9. Isaac-1

    Isaac-1 Member

    Apr 3, 2011
    SW Louisiana, not near N.O.
    I personally hate the term "modern sporting rifle" I think it is a blatant lie, and everyone in the conversation knows it, it is as bad as or worse than assualt rifle just in the other direction. It is much like calling gang members, socially disadvantaged youths, it causes anyone that uses the term be immediately judged as petty and takes the focus off the real topics of the conversation. I have no problem with semi-auto rifle, clumping AR's in with Remington Speedmasters, but what I would personally prefer is a term that encompasses the modern AR / AK platforms, maybe something more neutral like Modern Modular Rifle, or Configurable Long Gun Platform to embrace the mix and match lego nature for these guns. As these are terms that we might be able to sell to the fence sitters.

    Just ask yourself how many times have you had this conversations with some non gun person:

    Q, What is this Modern Sporting Rifle the NRA is talking about?

    A. It is the most popular class of semi atuo rifles being sold today and is used for all sorts of sporting and hunting purposes,........

    Q, hum, I stil don't know what you mean

    A. The AR-15 and AK-47 are popular examples of this class

    Q, So its an assualt rifle?

    A, Yeah, but we don't like to use that term we prefer modern sporting rifle (and they hear, yeah its an assualt rifle, but we would much prefer if you called it a fluffy cudly gun)
  10. XD 45acp

    XD 45acp Member

    Nov 27, 2011
    I get tired of them saying " AR" in AR-15 stands for Assault Rifle. UGH!!!!!!!!
  11. PowderMonkey

    PowderMonkey Member

    Sep 16, 2010
    SE Ohio
    'Assault weapon' is the 'crotch rocket' of the performance motorcycle world, one that I also reside in.

    We shooters and gun owners, see first hand with our own eyes, nothing but responsible use of AR's through competitions like Camp Perry and Multigun (3Gun), and plinking at the range. Thus to us it's a modern sporting rifle. The non gun folk don't see guns in person AT ALL, all they see is the news and that is Aurora and Sandy Hook. So, of course they have no problem with the term Assault Rifle, because the only time they hear about it, it's just been used to assault someone and it's all over the TV.

    We performance motorcyclists, who ride extremely powerful modern motorcycles lawfully and sensibily on the road while wearing leathers and full face helmets even in the 80's in the summertime (ATGATT) - well we call our machines sportbikes. Non-riders who see flip-flop boy with a wifebeater and a backwards ballcap doing stand-up wheelies down the interstate in traffic - yup it's always going to be a 'crotch rocket' to them for sure. All they see firsthand is misuse.
  12. Ragnar Danneskjold

    Ragnar Danneskjold Senior Member

    Feb 1, 2007
    Arlington, Republic of Texas
    First of all, no one even owns and AK-47 unless there are some on the NFA. The Avtomat Kalashnikova Model 1947 is an automatic rifle. Just like the M16 or M4. It was replaced by rifles such as the AK-74 and the AKM. The AK-lookalikes that people buy at Dunham's are not 47s. And calling them such is just as ignorant as saying you can buy an M16 at Dunham's. M16 =/= AR-15. AK47 =/= AK lookalike. I'm sorry, but I can't take any of your arguments seriously when you didn't even bother to learn what the weapons actually are.

    Second, unless you're using your rifle to assault something, it's not an assault rifle. Shooting paper targets is a sport. That's what most of us use them for. Sporting rifle. Is any bolt action rifle with a scope automatically a "sniper rifle"? Of course not. A sniper rifle is any rifle used by an actual sniper. If you're not a sniper, your rifle isn't a sniper rifle. It's just a precision rifle with some optics. And if you're not assaulting something, your rifle isn't an assault rifle.

    Words mean things.
  13. Fleetman

    Fleetman Member

    Feb 14, 2010
    York County Pennsylvania
    +1 on banning the term "assault weapons" when referring to rifles. I get into plenty of debates on another site I belong to.....BITOG.com.

    I've repeatedly stated that my property is full of weapons; bricks, sticks, rocks, and my grandkids baseball bats. My AR's and AK's are incapable of assaulting anyone unless I task them to....otherwise they are just metal, plastic, and wood....no brain, no intent, and certainly not capable of getting out of the safe unless I let them.

    "Assault weapon" is the buzz word for the Obozo administration.
  14. vulcandeathbuny

    vulcandeathbuny New Member

    Sep 14, 2012
    Had a die hard anti that works with me completely against ar15 because he believed the media.... well about 14the days of debate along with properly educating him on the subject he is now shooting them and wanting to buy one.
  15. steveracer

    steveracer Senior Member

    Jun 10, 2005
    VA Beach
    This is right up there with CLIPS and MAGAZINES.
    If we don't use the CORRECT terms (not interchangeable, not at all) than how exactly are we supposed to educate others.
    And BTW: "clip" and "magazine" are as different as "anvil" and "railroad track". Just as "assault rifle" and "semi-auto rifle" are as different as "blimp" and "helicopter".
    To call them interchangeable is just INCORRECT and makes you sound like an idiot who doesn't care about this stuff at all.
    I don't call my shoes "tires". Idiotic.
  16. miamivicedade

    miamivicedade Member

    Jan 1, 2009
    Thanks for the attempted wisdom, but you obviously miss the point and are a danger to other gun owners. Why call it a rose if it's a daisy?
  17. Xfire68

    Xfire68 Member

    Apr 13, 2010
    Manteno IL
    BearGriz and Isaac-1, even though you find the differences to be nonexistent between AR's and assault rifles. The truth is by actual definition they are different.

    Calling the AR "The Modern Sporting Rifle" is pretty spot on. The vast majority of people that buy AR's today use them for sporting purposes.

    As a "responsible" gun owner you should do your best to properly educate anyone who asks. Misinformation only clouds the issues.
  18. JFrame

    JFrame Senior Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Next to a reclaimed patch of swampland called D.C.
    I totally agree.

    We cannot allow the leftists to define and characterize the firearms we own. The guns I own aren't used for "assault," and in fact, none of them have even been used as "weapons" other than a couple of .22's for squirrel-hunting (but then, doesn't that define them as "sporting arms," per the leftist credo?).

  19. Axel Larson

    Axel Larson Member

    Sep 29, 2010
    Vermont, now Saint Albans
    Man Leahy was there ugh I mean my state voted for him. But yes explaining why they are not assault rifles does change peoples minds, my wife explained the difference to her mother and now her mother has no problem with them, just have to work on her dad.
  20. Stugots

    Stugots New Member

    May 8, 2012
    Here's my response from Mr. Leahy.....

    Thank you for contacting me about the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, and gun control in the United States. I appreciate hearing from you on this very important issue.

    The tragedy in Newtown left me shocked and horrified. As a father and grandfather, I cannot begin to imagine the pain and grief that the families of the victims are experiencing. Many constituents, like you, have written in to me in the past few weeks to express their support for meaningful changes to federal firearms policy. I have heard from parents, grandparents, veterans, teachers, hunters, and children, all expressing their belief that our laws need to be improved, and urging Congress to act. I have also heard from Vermonters, like you, who are concerned that new legislation could interfere with our Second Amendment rights.

    I grew up hunting in Vermont and am still an avid target shooter. I value our Second Amendment rights, and the Supreme Court has said definitively that Americans are guaranteed its protections. But like all of the rights guaranteed by our Constitution, it is not absolute. I agreed with Justice Scalia when he wrote in the Supreme Court's District of Columbia v. Heller decision that the Second Amendment does not prohibit reasonable regulations. The factors underlying the terrible tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut, are complex, and involve a host of issues relating to mental health treatment, firearms policy, and school safety. It is my hope that as this conversation continues, the Senate will hear from many Americans, including experts from law enforcement, from the mental health community, and from leaders in our educational system.

    One thing that I am especially concerned about is the role that mental health records play in the purchasing of firearms. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, is an FBI database that is intended to provide licensed sellers with a quick and easy way to determine if, among other things, a buyer has a history of mental illness. Unfortunately, the majority

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