Can you get Illegal Legal Guns in NYC?

[toivo]

But it seems that upstate NY police officials have discretion in authorizing handgun purchases.

Not quite--the permit has to be approved by a judge, although the sheriff's office processes the paperwork. Once you have a permit, adding additional guns to it is pretty much a formality, although it is still time-consuming and annoying.

 

[gezzer]

This is the most naive post I have ever read.

If you really think it is not possible you are in FANTASY land. You prove you have never been in the street world of anywhere in the world.

I feel great that someone can still be so innocent, it gives hope to the world

 

[damien]

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geezer,

Who are you responding to? What does this person think is not possible? Your use of undefined pronouns is confusing.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Originally Posted By damien:
Does this work the same way in NYC? Can NYC residents legally buy guns outside of the city as long as they store them outside of the city? Do many of them ignore that part of the law and bring them into the city?

Originally Posted By gunsmith:
But to answer your question...Nope!
even if you have a valid carry permit in Yonkers you can not carry in the Bronx.

Originally Posted By damien:
I am not talking about carry permits or even legal possession. I have no idea how Yonkers or the Bronx got into this conversation because I did not bring them up. I am asking a very simple question:

If you are a NYC resident will a upstate gun store sell you a handgun or will they say "nope, sorry, you're from the city".

damien,
You seem a little snippy especially since your question was being answered even though you didn't seem to understand that!

As you asked, Yonkers is outside NYC and is Upstate NY.
NYC = Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, Richmond (Staten Island) and The Bronx

IMO, you should chill a little when people are trying to help you out by answering a question you admitted was of no real use to you.

That's not really the High Road now, is it??

BTW, Sorry I almost forgot my manners, Welcome to the forum.....

 

[Robert Hairless]

Your Question: "Can you get Illegal Legal Guns in NYC?"

Answer: According to Michael Bloomberg, Mayor of New York City, it is easy to get illegal legal guns in the city.

The Mayor says that people buy lots of them legally in America and transport them across the border into New York City, where they become illegal guns. Then, the Mayor says, those people peddle them on every street corner of the city. That's probably also the explanation of why New York City is a traffic jam: people must be stopping their cars, trucks, and buses to haggle with the streetside gun peddlers. So in Mayor Bloomberg's view, New York City must be like an enormous gun show but all the sellers have illegal guns.

The Acting Director of the BATFE doesn't understand how what Mayor Bloomberg says could be true, in part because the Bureau is notified when anyone buys more than one handgun within a few days.

I, however, trust Mayor Bloomberg completely: I don't think he would lie. So what I can't figure out is why he doesn't fire the New York City police chief. With so many legal guns becoming illegal guns as soon as they enter the city, he should be able to either have the very big trucks hauling them caught as soon as they enter or have the streetside gun peddlers picked up and spanked.

It's a remarkable thing, though, that the same handgun can be legal before it enters New York City and suddenly become illegal afterwards. It's as if New York City casts a spell over them and turns princes into frogs. Warp.

 

[Autolycus]

Originally posted by Damien:

If the law says that this crime can't be sentenced to anything less that 3.5 years then the prosecutor will deal by changing the charge. It will get pled down. Otherwise it goes to trial before an urban jury with an urban defendant saying "whitey planted it on me". That works in NYC a lot of the time and prosecutors do anything to avoid it.

But it still does suck. In Chicago it is a misdemeanor. Cities can't create felony law in Illinois,

So do you have any stats that back up your claim of urban people saying "whitey planted it" on them defense actually works? Or is this an poorly hidden racist message?

And by thew way UUW is a felony in the state of IL which includes Chicago.

 

[gunsmith]

I have no idea how Yonkers or the Bronx

Sorry, I thought you were a nu yawka... "Yonkers" is an imaginary line away from "the Bronx" ...the Bronx is NYC Yonkers is not.
Last I hears getting caught with a handgun is a mandatory year on Rikers.
Unless you are Drew Barrymores mom http://archive.salon.com/people/col/reit/2000/05/16/nptues/index.html
or David Crosby http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/06/david.crosby.arrested/

So, the lesson here is that rich white famous liberals can get away with illegal guns in NY, but no one else can

 

[NukemJim]

But it still does suck. In Chicago it is a misdemeanor. Cities can't create felony law in Illinois

First the mandatory IANAL. I consulted with a attorney on this matter, he explained that they took the posession misdemeanor and somehow through some legal mumbo jumbo, use the misdmeanor charge to "trigger" another charge UUW, Unlawfull Use of Weapon, which is a felony. Are you confused? good so am I But then I am also do not understand how the 2A does not apply in Chicago.


Used to be a misdemeanor to carry illeagly, they changed it to a felony a number of years ago (10-15 IIRC).

Of course criminals such as gang bangers and Chicago Alderman routinely ignore the law

And by the way I have been to gunstores in Ill that would not sell to someone who's FOID had a Chicago Address. When questioned he said it was not illegal but he did not want to take any chances.

NukemJim

 

[SWMAN]

Depends on what class of criminal you hang out with. Now, if you hang with Mayor Bloomberg...

 

[toivo]

Sorry, I thought you were a nu yawka... "Yonkers" is an imaginary line away from "the Bronx" ...the Bronx is NYC Yonkers is not.

Yonkers is in Westchester County, which is starting to tighten up on handgun permits--valid for five years rather than for life, etc. I think the neighboring counties are getting some heat from Bloomberg.

 

[MilsurpShooter]

In order to possess a handgun in NYC or Westchester you need a permit. No permit but you have a gun, automatically you're in the wrong. All handguns need to be on the permit, buy a handgun, go to court, get your permit ammended, then pick up your handgun

 

[GRB]

Otherwise it goes to trial before an urban jury with an urban defendant saying "whitey planted it on me".

So what are you saying here, that urban defendants are other than white? I would be willing to bet that some THR members are also other than white, and probably insulted by such an implication.

 

[damien]

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So do you have any stats that back up your claim of urban people saying "whitey planted it" on them defense actually works? Or is this an poorly hidden racist message?

And by thew way UUW is a felony in the state of IL which includes Chicago.

As to the "whitey planted it on them defense". A few stats that you may be able to infer from:

NYC Conviction Rate 57%:

http://criminaljustice.state.ny.us/crimnet/ojsa/cja_98/sec3/disp-fel-nyc.htm

Federal Conviction Rate 80%:

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/010521/archive_000452_print.htm

Urban convicion rates are always lower because this sort of defense works well. Secondly, see Al Sharpton on how to plant the race card. Don't you think that other urban dwellers know how to do the same thing?

As to "UUW is a felony in the state of IL". I know this. However, thank you for stating the very very obvious. But the whole point of this message was home possession, not CCW.

 

[jahwarrior]

as a former resident of the bronx, i can say that there is practically no way to own a gun in NYC legally. it'd be easier to just buy one illegally, and pray to not be caught, like i did when i was a teen.

 

[CNYCacher]

Since NY apparently has some gun permit involved where the police must OK each handgun purchase, even for mere possession, I can see how this closes that potential loophole.

From someone who actually lives there:

Process for buying a handgun (Cayuga County):
Go to county clerk, obtain purchase coupon.
Go to FFL, purchase. FFL writes serial number, make, model on your permit. FFL signs and fills out serial number, make model on purchase coupon.
Take gun home.
Mail or drop off purchase coupon with county clerk within 10 days.
Done.

Process varies by county. Some counties make you leave your new gun at the dealer until you have it put on your permit, which means taking the purchase coupon back to the county clerk. This may be political or it may be because Cayuga and other counties still have paper permits that you write the guns you have registered on the back of

 

[secamp32]

In Westchester it can take 30 days or more for your permit to be amended. So you have to pay for the gun then wait and wait and wait for the amended permit before you can pick up the gun. If you have 4 guns and want buy a 5th (it might be 5 going to 6) you have to have the County Police come to your house and inspect your "Gun storage facility" Then you get to wait for 30 days until your amended permit come in. Its all part of the harrassment to try and reduce the number of guns "On the Street". :banghead: Of course none of this applies to criminals. They are exempt from these rules.

 

[Cosmoline]

Lieutenant Guild: You got a pistol permit?
Nick Charles: No.
Lieutenant Guild: Ever heard of the Sullivan Act?
Nora Charles: Oh, that's all right, we're married.

From "The Thin Man", 1934

 

[ctdonath]

Understand that a NY carry permit is gun specific, and is maintained by your county.

If you move, you must inform your old county that you moved, and they will transfer it. If you have a NYC permit (different from a NY permit), the paperwork is maintained in NYC (whatever county applies). If you live in NYC and want to buy a handgun, you must have a NYC permit and register the gun to your permit BEFORE you take possession of it; if there is a problem with you having that gun within NYC, THEY WILL NOT REGISTER THAT GUN TO YOUR PERMIT because doing so is permission to have that gun in NYC.

Rephrased: there is no legal way to live in NYC and keep your handguns in NY outside NYC if you can't have them in NYC. The way the law is structured, the question is a non-sequitor.

 

[toivo]

Rephrased: there is no legal way to live in NYC and keep your handguns in NY outside NYC if you can't have them in NYC. The way the law is structured, the question is a non-sequitor.

If you have a dual residence (one home in NYC and one upstate), I believe you can get handgun permits for your upstate address. However, you CANNOT legally carry those guns in NYC.

 

[Redneck07]

Damien, heres the correct answer to your question. I will try to answer this as directly as possible.

Handguns- NYS and NYC have different permit systems for handguns. The NYC system is very harsh and restrictive and is managed by the NYPD. NYSP and local SO's handle the registration and permits upstate- it's a county thing. Puchases require a permit statewide.


Rifles/Shotguns- The answer to your question is YES. A person with a NYC address on their drivers license CAN buy a rifle/shotgun outside of NYC. Technically, they are NYS residents. They can buy a gun anywhere in NYS (except NYC uncless they have a permit). A NYC resident may go to the Catskills or to Penn and buy a rifle/shotgun up there. Most gun stores will do the transaction. HOWEVER, the salesman will tell you NOT to bring the gun back to the Communist City of New York without the NYC long gun permit. They will inform you that the gun must be kept outside of the 5 boroughs if you can't legally bring it back there.

A few of my friends do exactly that. They live/work in NYC. They have weekend houses in the Catskills. They keep their guns at their weekend houses. They inform the dealer of this before they do the transaction. They save hundreds or dollars on NYC license fees. They also don't have to 'register' the gun with NYC.

I believe that NY Police Officers (NYPD, NYSP) and Peace Officers (Corrections, TBTA, Court Officers, PAPD) are exempt from getting a NYC Rilfe/Shotgun permit or a Pistol permit as their law enforcement status allows them to own and carry handguns state wide. If they decide to buy a rifle/shotgun at an overpriced NYC gun store, their badge/ID card serves as their 'permit' basically.

I am sure I can go on and on all day.. but thats the basic concept of NYC/NYS.