Can you identify this rifle?

[Brian41]

how many times have you heard of a drug bust because they advertise kool-aid for sale and then when the person agrees to buy a cup, the cop jumps out and says "HA! there's lsd in there and your going to jail!". sounds ridiculous doesn't it.

Proven, that's a good point

At the same time, i don't think i'd consider Washington DC's laws "local yocal" enforcement. I was more or less just saying i don't trust the government to actually understand the laws or rights they do or don't enforce. Didn't mean to be too harsh with my initial response, sorry.

 

[22lr]

WOW never new so many people didnt understand law. Ya um sting or not but a 2 bit lawyer would plead entrapment and get it over in 2 shakes of a lamps tail. I would have taken a few buddies and gone to see it. But ya way to many people think a phone/email commitment just does not hold any sort of water in law.

So say I tell a guy ill steal a car for him, legally I have committed no crime until I steal the car. Dont believe me, then consider this, they could not arrest me until I had committed the act, its that simple. But ya a sad tread.

 

[Duke of Doubt]

22lr, that is not correct.

Solicitation of a criminal act is a crime by itself. And if the other guy agrees, you are guilty of conspiracy to commit theft. If you show up with burglar tools, you likely are guilty of attempted theft.

 

[pgeleven]

this whole topic needs to be shifted to the 'legal' section, it has drifted way OT. plus there is so much inaccurate 'backwoods lawyering' that barely any of the information on here can be considered helpful or accurate

 

[blkbrd666]

Kentucky, do you have address and/or contact information for the ad? If so, please post or send message...I would like to follow up...have some free time on my hands.

 

[R.W.Dale]

Kentucky, do you have address and/or contact information for the ad? If so, please post or send message...I would like to follow up...have some free time on my hands.

see post 99 and then 45

THE WHOLE THING WAS A SCAM

 

[plinky]

Yep, we know it was a scam but of what nature?

Some kid's prank? Entirely possible. No real danger.

Set up by a thief? Unlikely cuz he knows nothing about you. He would be better off picking victims in the Walmart parking lot.

Sting by BATF? Nothing to rule it out so far. Could easily ruin your life even if you avoid jail.

We don't know the motivations of the "seller" but in the interest of protecting ourselves, let's assume that it was a sting. Obviously I'm no expert. I have more questions than answers.

I doubt that police at any level would charge Kentucky with nothing but a phone call or email agreement to buy the likely illegal gun. At least not while they think they can get him to meet with cash in hand.

What I really wonder about is whether they have to actually put the illegal weapon (or cocaine or whatever) in his hands to make the charge stick. Of course it is entirely possible that they could produce a weapon like the one in the photo which is full auto. They stated in the ad that the gun appeared to be functional. What that means is still unknown. Is this the time to say "I'll take it!!"?

I think that the basic lessons to take from this story are:

"Be careful what you commit yourself to buy. Especially when it looks like a belt fed MG." and the classic "If it seems too good to be true..." Also "CYA".

 

[Agent-J]

my friend was arrested by the ATF for just thinking about a machine gun!

seriously, they should sell THR.ORG branded tin foil hats.

 

[Almond27]

I bet if the ATF is reading this they are laughing because I sure am. I mean wow guys get a grip on reality.

 

[proven]

my friend was arrested by the atf for just thinking about a machine gun!

Seriously, they should sell thr.org branded tin foil hats.

lol

 

[expvideo]

Duke of Doubt,
I understand your points, but understand that the public defenders that I have dealt with were in large cities where they were dealing with dozens of cases per day. They did not seem to give much thought to trying to work on a case. Now I understand that they may be familiar with the way that your case generally goes, but I'm not talking about fighting a DUI that I thought was unjust. I don't really feel like going into personal details here, but if you are interested in the specifics I'll PM them to you. I've been screwed by an assumption of guilt and a poorly handled case more than once. The frustrating part is that no one ever believes that a cop/lawyer/judge would ever do that and thinks I'm full of crap. So I'd rather just not post the stuff here and deal with being picked apart on the internet. I'll PM if you're interested.

 

[plinky]

You guys who are so amused by the "paranoia" should favor us with your view of the situation. Do you accept the "seller" at face value? To my eye, that is the real longshot theory.

It's not much of a discussion if you throw out an insult and run off.

 

[jerkface11]

Yup we need tinfoil hats. Even though we could tell from the beginning that this wasn't a legit sale.

 

[kyle1974]

holy crap.... this is my first post here, and I'm wondering if my tin foil hat is coming in the mail, and I'm gettign a blindfolded ride in a black helicopter after midnight tonight....

I agree that it's not legal to own a "machine gun", but good lord, just "thinking" about it and you're screwed?


LMAO.... good stuff

 

[jerkface11]

Thinking about it and agreeing to purchase it are different things.

 

[proven]

jerkface- was it advertised as a machine gun? he agreed to buy a rifle, UPON INSPECTION.

 

[Duke of Doubt]

Thinking about it is quite different from (1) agreeing to purchase it; (2) arriving to take possession; (3) with cash ready money. That's attempt to possess an NFA weapon. Guys go to prison for that, for years. Scoff all you want; we knew it was a phony deal and we are free men.

 

[proven]

duke- you can't prove it was an NFA weapon. arriving with cash to buy a rifle (as advertised) is not a crime. go back and read my post about kool-aid.

if you want to pat yourself on the back for calling it a scam. go right ahead. there are plenty of ways to inform yourself of the seller and protect yourself when buying from private parties.

arguing that he could've gone to jail is silly. you say he agreed to buy an NFA weapon, right? why isn't the BATFE knocking on his door? could it be that he agreed to buy a RIFLE, and that's NOT illegal? not to mention that you have to take possession. you can show up at a class III dealer with cash and state/agree to buy any firearm you want. the BATFE isn't going to arrest you.

some of you need to read the NFA.

 

[kyle1974]

so does this mean next time I'm at a gun show, I should not stop by the NFA table? ......Because secretly...deep down inside, I really want a surpressed full auto, but I have no stamp or class III permit?!?!?! :banghead:

what was that gay Tom Cruise movie that had the psychics who "knew" people were "going" to commit crimes, and so they were arrested for their future actions which had not yet occured.....


If I email some guy and say "hey, I would like to buy that gun you have for sale" and upon inspection, I find that the barrel is full of 100% pure, uncut heroin, and decide that maybe I shouldn't buy it after all... tell the guy good day, and I don't want the gun anymore....

some of you guys are essentially saying I could still end up in prison.....

 

[proven]

minority report

 

[pgeleven]

maybe i have watched too many episodes of COPS, but i strongly believe that in order for the BATF to have a legitimate case, there must be an agreement on a transfer. you cant have a charge stick for looking at something. much like when you watch the prostitute stings, there must be an agreement of cash for a sexual favor. even at gunshows in my state they usually have a table off to the side with A.O.W. items which you can check out. if i asked him what it would take to own one would the men in black gas the whole place and drag me out with a sandbag on my head? there must be probable cause for the judge to even accept the case. plus with so many companies churning out legal semi-auto lookalikes, who is to say he was intending on purchasing a full auto capable weapon? right now i can go online and order semi-auto ONLY versions of:

MP-5
M2 Browning 50 Cal
AR-15
AK-47
Thompson SMG
UZI/Cobray M11
PS-90

and so on and so forth. i think we are kicking the hell out of a dead horse with this

 

[proven]

 

[pgeleven]

proven, if i ever see you in person, i will buy you a beer

 

[proven]

i appreciate the gesture.

 

[jerkface11]

was it advertised as a machine gun? he agreed to buy a rifle, UPON INSPECTION.

What part of THERE AREN'T ANY NON NFA CHINESE TYPE 56'S do you not understand? None not one anywhere. There aren't any. Period. In fact the gun advertised doesn't even exist. But go right ahead stating how you were right and everyone else is wrong.