Canada banning all handguns (yeah really)

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Read here...

Just what it sounds like. Exemptions for "gun collectors, target shooters, police and people (the politically connected) with legitimate self defense needs" and everyone else has to turn them in.

Isnt that wonderful?

I guess canadians are going to start watering their lawns with WD40, just like the australians.
 
people (the politically connected) with legitimate self defense needs"
Guess us little lambs don't have valid self defense needs when the underpivlaged youth who laughs at the law and has a gun anyway climbs through the window.

Though sadly this doesn't surprise me. I'm willing to bet though they will become a model of why not to have insane gun laws. After all England is just a model for zero crime rates with banned handguns.
 
It would have made perfect sense to Stalin.
Whats wrong with Stalin? He was one of the 20th's greatist leaders! And just a big old cuddly bear to boot, a model human being.

[\:rolleyes: ]
 
If you have a firearm, and don't turn it in, you are in trouble. They already know who does and doesn't.

I knew it in the back of my head, I've heard ppl say it, the only point of registries is to lead to confiscation. I knew it, but it just seems unreal stiil.

The NDP is really socialist, the Conservatives are more like your Democrats than your republicans, and the Liberals have always been 'centrist' which means 'pragmatic' which means 'whatever gets people to vote for you'.

Right now all the parties are talking, saying whatever will win votes. Look at any of them and you see inconsistencies, but this Paul Martin thing is total BS, the worst I've ever seen. PC party proposes to cut the sales tax, when only income taxes are good for the economy - understandable. The NDP, well, they're hoping to get more than 12 seats, lol - understandable. The Bloc, they won the entire province of Quebec months ago, it' just not official yet.

What those 3 parties have in common is that they are about committments, believing in something. The Liberals aren't liberal, they're are opportunistic scavengers.

So if there is a god, the next gov't in 2 months time will be a loose alliance of Socialists, Seperatists and Conservatives. A perfect gov't:) Not much chance of something like them passing a 'Patriot Act'.
 
Yet another example of why we must avoid gun registration at all costs.

Unfortunately I doubt any Canadians will try to defend themselves; they'll hand over their guns like good little sheep. Just like 99% of Americans will when the time comes here.
 
If this does happen, then I think it is our collective duty to put together a "Canada-Legal Home Defense Shotgun" thread for our comrades up north.:rolleyes: :evil:
 
Yet another example of why we must avoid gun registration at all costs.
A prime example indeed. Ok - let's see a show of hands - Who did not see this coming?

Things I still wonder:
- I wonder how many handguns are out there in CA.
- I wonder what the ramifications of making them come to you to get the weapon will be.
- I wonder how long it is going to take to process in each handgun they steal from a citizen.
- I wonder what cost is going to be incurred to process each handgun they steal from a citizen.
- I wonder how many LEO minutes they have available in CA to dedicate to getting out and stealing handguns from the citizens.
- I wonder if this is going to be anywhere near as repugnant to the Canadian LEOs as it would be to some LEOs I know down here in the south.

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BTW - I'm talking about an exotic and mysterious foreign country that I'm not an expert on. Am I using the term "citizen" correctly here? I mean - it's not "serf" or somthing like that, is it?

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Ok. One last edit: You guys in the west need to secede.
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If you have a firearm, and don't turn it in, you are in trouble. They already know who does and doesn't.

They do? Wouldn't knowing who does and who doesn't rely on their registration database? The billion dollar database...that doesn't work and never has?
 
From the article:

"However, there will be exceptions for competitive target shooters, gun collectors and peace officers, a Liberal insider said on condition of anonymity."

Ok,

1) I wonder what they consider a 'competitive' target shooter to be. Someone who likes competition and shoots targets? Great, if I were a Canuck, I'd want in on that. Seems like a pretty decent loophole. If not, then...

2) Ok, I'm ready to be a gun collector. What does that mean in Canada exactly? I imagine it might be something like C&R or FFL with our own BATF. Does it involve a tax payment to the government? or...

3) I am a peace officer. What, you need to be officially blessed by the government as such? then...

4) I don't care what your registry says. Haven't you heard that guns can shoot all by themselves? Well, using the same power, my guns got up and walked out of my house all by themselves, just before you came to confiscate them. They're probably out committing a crime as we speak. Yeeeeahhhhh, I'm just gonna have to go ahead and ask you to get off my porch now. That'd be greeeeaaat.

Anyways, if this...this...human paraquat named Paul Martin and his government actually ban handguns, I sure hope that a lot of Canucks consider 1-4, or variations.

Finally, does anyone else's imagination conjour an incredibly unpleasant picture when you read the words "Liberal insider"? I understand that Liberal has a somewhat different meaning elsewhere than it does in the US, but I can't shake the association. It sure gives me the willies.
 
1) I wonder what they consider a 'competitive' target shooter to be. Someone who likes competition and shoots targets? Great, if I were a Canuck, I'd want in on that. Seems like a pretty decent loophole. If not, then...

At BEST that would just be a delaying tactic. That's what happened in Great Britain. People who were members of gun clubs and active shooters could still own handguns. And then they decided that the handguns had to be kept locked up on club property and never taken to your home. (So there went any dream of using a gun to defend your home and family.) Ultimately even that collapsed and virtually all handgun ownership by "regular civilians" was banned and the guns were destroyed.

It still makes me sigh and shake my head when I see beautiful single shot .22 rifles for sale that were imported from GB. They were club rifles that were loved and shot and used to teach people how to be good shooters. When single shot .22 target rifles owned by shooting clubs are considered "too dangerous" and outlawed, you know you are in serious trouble!

Gregg
 
beerslurpy said:
Read here...

Just what it sounds like. Exemptions for "gun collectors, target shooters, police and people (the politically connected) with legitimate self defense needs" and everyone else has to turn them in.

Isnt that wonderful?

I guess canadians are going to start watering their lawns with WD40, just like the australians.

So the only people who will have guns will be those that got them illegally from smugglers bringing them in on container ships, or from people making them illegally.

AKA, criminals. Whee.
 
Lucky said:
If you have a firearm, and don't turn it in, you are in trouble. They already know who does and doesn't.

I knew it in the back of my head, I've heard ppl say it, the only point of registries is to lead to confiscation. I knew it, but it just seems unreal stiil.

The NDP is really socialist, the Conservatives are more like your Democrats than your republicans, and the Liberals have always been 'centrist' which means 'pragmatic' which means 'whatever gets people to vote for you'.

Right now all the parties are talking, saying whatever will win votes. Look at any of them and you see inconsistencies, but this Paul Martin thing is total BS, the worst I've ever seen. PC party proposes to cut the sales tax, when only income taxes are good for the economy - understandable. The NDP, well, they're hoping to get more than 12 seats, lol - understandable. The Bloc, they won the entire province of Quebec months ago, it' just not official yet.

What those 3 parties have in common is that they are about committments, believing in something. The Liberals aren't liberal, they're are opportunistic scavengers.

So if there is a god, the next gov't in 2 months time will be a loose alliance of Socialists, Seperatists and Conservatives. A perfect gov't:) Not much chance of something like them passing a 'Patriot Act'.

Well...if there's enforced en masse turn-ins, you could always order the pretty decently convincing Denix replicas of the ones you have and turn those in? :D I mean, those tend to have working slides and actions, they just don't shoot, and the gun-grabbers' clerks at a turn-in are likely to be the scared-of-guns sort who will check the type against your registration, then throw it in a box, right?

Assuming they don't check serials.
 
tulsamal said:
Ultimately even that collapsed and virtually all handgun ownership by "regular civilians" was banned and the guns were destroyed.

Reported destroyed. I'd bet all the cheaper sorts were, but here and there, a gov't official retired early after selling a lot of "destroyed" valuable firearms anonymously on the open market to elsewhere...
 
Bring the gunowners here. We need more immigrants of that kind.

"Violence-plagued" neighborhood in Toronto? And have they asked themselves what's behind that violence and why disarming a shopkeeper in Vancouver is going to stop it?
 
History of this sort of thing in Canada

Gathered here:
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2005_12_04-2005_12_10.shtml#1134068501


1.

Hamilton Spectator (Ontario, Canada), Jan. 12, 1999:

[T]he main criticisms [of the new gun registration law] are: One, [critics] fear the slippery slope, that once their guns are registered, they can too easily be taken away. Easily concealed handguns have previously been confiscated without compensation.

Two, they sense being pegged as criminals. There is no U.S. constitutional argument to lean on — no "right to bear and keep arms" — just a feeling it's unfair and arbitrary. . . .

To a non-gun owner, a registry sounds entirely harmless. If you don't plan to engage in criminal acts, why oppose it? Count most federal officials among this group.

"Welcome to the weapons world," chuckles Jean Valin, a justice department spokesman, addressing gun owner concerns. "We are trying to tell (owners) go to sleep at night, because you have nothing to fear from this government. They like to invent bogeymen, and this is one of them."

2.

Hamilton Spectator (Ontario, Canada), Jan. 4, 2001, item written by Howard Elliott, who is now the newspaper's Executive Editor:

A concern regularly cited by those who oppose [the registration] law, and gun licensing and registration in general, is that this is the first step on a slippery slope with the final destination being the government's intention to make guns illegal, or to make them so difficult to own, people will find owning a gun isn't worth the bother.

No doubt, there are people on the gun control side of the debate who favour this sort of outcome, just as there are people on the other side who believe Canadians should have unfettered rights to own firearms with minimal or no government involvement.

But we suspect that neither of these extreme viewpoints reflects the position of the average Canadian, who tends to be moderate and fair-minded. There is no evidence that gun registration will ever equal arbitrary seizure, or a law against ownership. In the end, this is about having firearms registered, so police will have more knowledge of who has guns and be in a better position to protect the public where danger does exist. That's an eminently reasonable goal.

3.

Maclean's, May 22, 2000:

Canada . . . [is] portrayed in a pretty darn scary video by the U.S. National Rifle Association. The NRA (like many Canadian gun owners, to be sure) is particularly outraged by Bill C-68, the federal law requiring all firearms to be registered by the end of 2002. It's the old slippery slope argument: once the feds know where the guns are, it's just a matter of time before they take them away.

Or so, at least, argues the NRA . . . . It should, by all rights, be a tough sell these days. Americans have been shocked by a string of shootings at schools, churches, offices — even day-care centres. . . . [The piece goes on to discuss the Million Mom March movement.] But the early evidence is not all encouraging. It may take more than dying teens, or marching moms, to shift American attitudes.

4.

Vancouver Sun, today (thanks to InstaPundit for the pointer):

Prime Minister Paul Martin will propose a ban on most handguns in Canada, CanWest News Service has learned.

Sources say Martin, who will make the election campaign announcement this morning, wants to choke off the supply of handguns in this country, particularly guns brought into the country illegally and those sold on the black market.

There will be some exemptions, including maintaining the right for police to carry handguns. The prime minister is also expected to announce a significant increase in resources for police to deal with the ban.

The Liberals say the thinking behind this crime strategy is that if no one is allowed to have a handgun in Canada, policing authorities will be in a better position to act on anyone who has a handgun or attempts to transport or sell a handgun.

The announcement will include the banning of all registered handguns in Canada. However, sources say special arrangements will be made for gun collectors.
 
Didn't these idiots watch Bowling for Columbine? Michael Moore proved that the Canadians have to kick guns to the side of the curb to walk to the donut shop in the morning and yet love each other with a sweetness brighter than sunshine and lighter than your mama's pancakes.
 
The good thing about this is that it will be clear a example that the NRA, GOA, JPFO, SAF, etc can use to show that registration ALWAYS leads to confiscation. It might not be today or tomorrow, but registration always ultimately leads to confiscation. It happened in CA, NY and DC, but now that it is proposed for a whole country (such as it is) like Canada, we will have more material to discredit American gun grabbers.
 
tulsamal said:
It still makes me sigh and shake my head when I see beautiful single shot .22 rifles for sale that were imported from GB. They were club rifles that were loved and shot and used to teach people how to be good shooters. When single shot .22 target rifles owned by shooting clubs are considered "too dangerous" and outlawed, you know you are in serious trouble!

Gregg


That's not right.

Single-shot and manual rifles are still allowed in the UK. And for .22 rimfire, you can even have semi-autos.

I think you're mixing up the rifle laws with the handgun laws. There was a brief period when all handguns* were banned except single-shot .22 kept at the club. But that "looplhole" was in effect for such a short time that it's not really worth considering (the almost-total ban was imposed by the Conservatives, and when labour got in a few months later they finished the job).

* With a few minor exceptions, e.g. for vets who needed them to put down cattle, blackpowder weapons, antiques, and extra-long revolvers. These exceptions still apply.
 
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