Canadian Handgunners Need Our Help

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Canadian Gun Owners need a minute of your help.

The Liberals in Canada are apparently set to announce a ban on Handguns in Canada.

Go to

http://www.liberal.ca/contact_e.aspx

Which is the feedback page of the Liberal Party of Canada.

Tell the Liberals that if they ban handguns YOU, your friends, family and relatives will boycott travel to CANADA.

Canada's Gun Lobby groups are weak ans ineffective.

This might help them.

TIZ
 
I have posted here for a while.

I don't kid.

Did you message the Liberals?

The Canadian gun lobby groups are a weak sister and they need all the help they can get.

TIZ
 
Aw God! It looks as if the other commonwealth countries are going the same way as us. Remember, there is still time to stop the ban, bills can be killed.

Blair
 
I sent them a message stating that if handguns are banned my family and I will no longer be able to visit due to safety concerns.
 
Liberal Leader Paul Martin is expected to announce a sweeping ban on handguns Thursday as he makes a campaign stop in Toronto, a city that has been plagued recently by a series of shootings.

The proposed ban would be part of what is being called a "safer communities announcement" by Martin when he visits one of the city's troubled neighbourhoods.

Details of the ban are not yet available.

Handguns are currently classified as either restricted or prohibited weapons.

Under the current system, people are allowed to possess a restricted firearm for target practice, target shooting competitions, to form part of a collection or, in very rare cases, for employment purposes or to protect your life.

Martin's announcement comes nearly a month after he paid a visit to one of Toronto's roughest neighbourhoods, promising tougher gun laws and the creation of a $50 million fund to help combat gang violence nationally.

He pledged an additional $1.9 million to Toronto to help troubled young people learn life skills and encourage them to participate in the community.

Gunfire was responsible for 50 of the 74 murders so far this year in Toronto.

The series of shootings prompted police to launch a gun amnesty program in November. Police collected 261 weapons and more than 1,500 rounds of ammunition.

The Ontario government recently announced it was boosting the number of police and Crown prosecutors for the guns and gangs task force in Canada's largest city.


http://www.cbc.ca/story/canadavotes2006/national/2005/12/07/martin-handgun051207.html
 
Notes for Remarks by The Commissioner of Firearms
To Delegates at the Canadian Professional Police Association Annual General Meeting
August 26, 2004 - St. John, New Brunswick
http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/media/speeches/cppa_aug.26_2004_e.asp
We are on the right track. For years, firearm owners have expressed fears regarding the confiscation of firearms. This is a concern I heard loud and clear when we held consultations with firearms organizations last fall. But, in fact, those fears have not materialized.

HOUSE OF COMMONS DEBATES
Thursday, February 16, 1995
FIREARMS ACT
Hon. Allan Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.) moved that Bill C-68, an act respecting firearms and other weapons, be read the second time and referred to a committee. [Hansard Page 9706]

http://www.parl.gc.ca/english/hansard/previous/154_95-02-16/154GO1E.html#9706

Let us not hear that the registration system will cost $100 per firearm. Let us not hear that it is a prelude to the confiscation by the government of hunting rifles and shotguns. Let us not contend that it will cost $1.5 billion to put in place. That is the way to distort the discussion. That is the way to frighten people. [Hansard Page 9709]



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Why don't some of the western and more conservative provinces secede, and join the US?
 
TIZReporter:

I have posted here for a while.

I don't kid.

No you don't, the message you are spreading is an important one.

The anti-gun movement is international in scope, and regardless if you are looking at the Liberals in Canada, Labor in the U.K., or the Democrats here in the United States - their intent and purpose is always the same...

End private ownership of firearms - one step at a time.

Since they of the Radical Left are joined against us; what we believe and what we stand for - we have an obligation to help other gun owners, whoever they are, and wherever they are. If they represent a political movement, we are a brotherhood.

And so long as anyone is threatened we'd better not forget it.
 
Old Fluff,

World-wide, gun ownership is under attack.

In the USA most ignore the issue as they feel that the Second Amendment is sufficient protection of their rights.

IANSA and the international ban gun movement is a huge effort.

http://www.theinfozone.net/salw9.html offers some insight into IANSA.

When the San Fransisco gun ban was voted on by the citizens of SF, most gun owners laughed it off claiming that San Fransisco is full of fools and left wing radicals. Groups in IANSA saw that vote as a step toward their eventual goal.

Count on the anti-gun movement using that referendum vote as proof that even in an American city, the people do not want handguns.

Liken the anti-gun movement to an invasion, they will raid and invade in the weak spots.

Canada is a large country, geographically with a huge inferiority complex, especially over the United States. They are one of the international leaders in the move to disarm.

The failed Canadian gun registration scheme that the government has brought in is proof that the government doesn't dare admit failure.

The group which hosted NRA for a meeting in Canada is one of the smaller gun groups, but are the least politically intelligent. The Liberals in Canada use the NRA as a lightening rod for their anti-American rhetoric.

This foolish move by the Liberals on handguns will be seen, by anti-gun groups in the United States as the 'bold policy' of an 'enlightened leader'.

These groups are like watching a glacier, they advance slowly.

Do you remember how John Kennedy stood in Berlin and said "All free men are citizens of Berlin"?

All free men are only as free as the most oppressed.

Canada sits above America, with an ever increasingly socialist government.

Americans hear about Canada's 'free' healthcare. Americans don't hear about waiting lines that can be up to months long.

Americans have been scolded by Canadians for not signing the Kyoto Accord. Yet Canada has seen massive growth in green house gas emissions.

Canada's Liberals are like a petty bully.

We can all hope that this election will see the end of the Liberals.

Any American who supports freedom should simply boycott all Canadian products.

Canada is America's top trading company. A boycott by American gun owners of all Canadian products would send a message to Canadians that 'we don't do business with petty tyrants'.

Did you know that in Canada the 'Canadian Auto Workers Union' supports the government's gun control movement? As well many cars sold under the GM, Ford and Chrysler names are made in Canada?

TIZ

TIZ
 
I am Canadian (even worse, from Ontario!) and this is making my blood boil!

I have sent letters to 30+ newspaper editorial sections, emailed the Liberal party and 5 local candidates, and emailed the Conservative party. ARGH

We are organizing in Canada still - no strong central party like the NRA here, although there are orgs around. I only hope that we are able to stop this lunacy before it gets too far.

I feel like saying many non-High Road things right now :cuss:
 
OK, Here's my reply:

Subject: Making Canada a safe haven for criminals

Message: I have been informed of potential legislation banning lawful handgun ownership in Canada. I am writing to inform you that my family and I will no longer be visiting your country if this passes. This will only serve to make criminals more safe as it has done in UK. Criminals do not obey laws, and they will not turn in their guns. They will be assured that their victims have no way of protecting themselves, however. I will not allow my family to become victims.
 
I just read the headline today and it made my blood boil.

As a Canadian, it makes me sick that our freedoms and rights are dictated by corrupt governments such as the Liberal Party.

They want to pump more money into n already failed gun registry. I mean are the criminals going to register their hand guns? No. It forces law abiding citizens to register their restricted firearms and perhaps these legally registered firearms will become outlawed.

Eventually only outlaws will have guns.

This decision has secured my vote for the Conservative party.

This is precisely why I keep my Rossi .357 and Beretta U22 Neos safely at my Brother-in-Laws in Texas. ;)
 
I just read the headline today and it made my blood boil.

As a Canadian, it makes me sick that our freedoms and rights are dictated by corrupt governments such as the Liberal Party.

They want to pump more money into n already failed gun registry. I mean are the criminals going to register their hand guns? No. It forces law abiding citizens to register their restricted firearms and perhaps these legally registered firearms will become outlawed.

Eventually only outlaws will have guns.

This decision has secured my vote for the Conservative party.

This is precisely why I keep my Rossi .357 and Beretta U22 Neos safely at my Brother-in-Laws in Texas. ;)
 
Just to play devils advocate here for a second, but in the same vein as many here who essentially hang states like CA, MA and NY out to dry, why should Americans help out people of a foreign country.

As we have a limited amount of resources and more than our fair share of problems isn't it prudent to just let whatever happens up there happen. After all the worst thing that could happen is for all guns to be banned and the crime rate to dramatically rise, which would help our cause down here.

I'm not trying to incite a riot and personally I am sympathetic to any person that is denied the ability to defend theirselves. However, I am always confused how people are so quick to condem people of certian states, yet will sign on for a cause for those of another country who didn't have the foresight to write any protections into their own founding document.
 
However, I am always confused how people are so quick to condem people of certian states, yet will sign on for a cause for those of another country who didn't have the foresight to write any protections into their own founding document.

We condemn the governments of said states and the leftist dingbats that elect them. I have written letters and donated time and effort to support gun rights for those less fortunate.

I don't think THR members are condemning gun owners that live under draconian gun laws, they just give the States, politicians, and anti-gun groups humorus derogatory names.
 
jsalcedo said:
I don't think THR members are condemning gun owners that live under draconian gun laws, they just give the States, politicians, and anti-gun groups humorus derogatory names.

Agreed. A better way to phrase what I was trying to say is that gun owners in those states are scoffed at for living where they do. As you said the usual response is "sucks to be you, why don't you move to the free America". I'm just curious why when this happens in a foreign country its a crisis, but when it happens in another state its someone elses problem.
 
I'm just curious why when this happens in a foreign country its a crisis, but when it happens in another state its someone elses problem.

I think that most of our members do feel sorry for those who live in certain states or cities with hardline gun control laws. However some of us wonder when they complain about it, they don't "do something about it." Of course there are other issues in life besides gun rights, but usually where you have restrictive gun control laws you also have radical-left/Democrat governments that intrude into any and everything they can in one's life. So this begs a question, "If you realy hate it, why don't you move?" :cuss:

The Old Fuff for one, did. :D
 
SomeKid said:
Why don't some of the western and more conservative provinces secede, and join the US?

They may have to seriously consider it. They do have a legal right to secede from the Canuckistan govt if they wish. However, the biggest obstacle would be deciding on whether to become independent or joining the U.S.
I would love to see Yukon and NWT join the U.S.
 
Here's what I posted on the Liberals website:

I have recently learned that your party is championing a complete ban on handguns. As an American citizen, I watch with dismay as your party gradually erodes the rights of the Canadian people, in the name of 'safety'. You should realize that gun control only affects the law-abiding. Criminals by definition are law-breakers. One more law restricting access to firearms won't make a difference to them. As has been proven in my country, the cities with the highest violent crime often have to most draconian gun restrictions. Many times in recent history, my nation's capital, Washington D.C. has been named the homicide capital of the United States. It is no coincidence that Washington D.C. has a virtual ban on handguns.

Additionally, I find your attempt to shift the blame for gun violence in Canada on the United States unconscionable. The problem is not guns being smuggled into Canada from the US; the problem is that existing laws in Canada are not enforced, and crime needs to be punished severely as a deterrent.
As has been proven everywhere it has been tried, handgun bans do not reduce crime. Instead, the law-abiding are deprived of the means to protect and defend themselves, and the crime rate goes up. Thus, I expect that, should the handgun ban pass, Canada will be less safe than it is today.
In light of these facts, if the handgun ban does occur, my family and I will no longer be travelling to Canada. A nation that has such contempt for its citizens will get no money from me.
 
We should help our brothers in Canada

The fight for RKBA isn't just in the United States, we should have brotherly spirits in helping RKBA in Canada.

I remember a Soldier of Fortune magazine comment about Canadian Gun banning a few years ago, they pretty much said, "Good luck, we're not going to help you."

This is a terrible attitude.
 
They need to stand up.I mean all firearm owners in Canada and say enough is enough. Their truckers don't seem to have any trouble strikeing and shuting down major roads and the border . I was trapped in Windsor by one of their strikes I was also trapped by their custom people doing same thing. Suggest they get off the butts and do something. But they won't because their weak little SUBJECTS instead of CITIZENS who have rights. Even their forfathers didn't have any balls Or they would have booted ENGLAND the way we did.
And set up a real Gov. Ours isn't perfect but 10 times better than theirs.
I did send a e-mail for all good it will do.
 
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