"Candidate proposes using textbooks as shields" CNN.com article

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lol @ SDM...Im so glad someone else caught that.

And then the line further down "There are some rifle rounds that even Webster's Dictionary couldnt stop!"


Calculus would stand a better chance, so long as you could prove dx/dt -> 0 as the round approached the cover :)
 
Juniors school supply list:
notebook
pens
erasers
protractor
ruler
level 3 backpack
trauma plate
glue
markers
 
Like Biker said, anyone in any way dealing with the reality that the situation is violent and combative, they get my support over all the others who have pie-in-the-sky ideas about how to make things more secure.

Like they said, determined attackers are guaranteed to attack, because they're determined! The phrase 'determined attacker' means that they WILL get past passive security measures. Armed security guards are better than locked doors, but it's not feasible to provide the numbers that would be needed to secure buildings the size of schools.

And as for minimizing the numbers of entrances/exits, that's silly. The most dangerous threat in urban societies is still fire, and it's damned irresponsible to sacrifice any level of fire safety for anything.

What's needed is more officials suggesting tactics and strategies like this text-book thing, until everyone and their cousin realizes that their kids need to know how to survive a violent situation, and act Pro-Actively. This text-book idea could be useful, you tell kids #1 run away from the school ASAP, don't wait for any official announcement, if something starts happening run away immediately. #2 If running puts you or someone you feel like protecting in worse danger, or is for any reason impractical, then attack or defend immediately. Do not try to reason or plead. #3 Use any tools you feel like. If that's a textbook or a tazer, use it.


It's like after 9/11, you had two types of people. Those who started talking about how to ban more items from airplanes, and those who were on TV telling people how to improvise weapons on airplanes by breaking their food trays and such.
 
Oh you've got to be *(&*% KIDDING ME!!! :banghead:

I know from experience that a standard 9mm jacketed round from a glock 17 from about 30 feet will go through two phone books. The whole idea of stopping a bullet with a school text book is just the start of the problem too. This guy actually expects panicking mini-sheeple to use a text book as a body shield? they would do better to install kevlar doors and heavy locks.
 
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#1 run away from the school ASAP, don't wait for any official announcement, if something starts happening run away immediately. #2 If running puts you or someone you feel like protecting in worse danger, or is for any reason impractical, then attack or defend immediately. Do not try to reason or plead. #3 Use any tools you feel like. If that's a textbook or a tazer, use it.
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Yes, there must be a plan for retreat/escape but I think there must be some sort of adult supervision when possible. Now the part about attacking the BG is abit shady. What if the BG targetted first graders? Are they supposed to gang up together and Karate chop the bad guy like little fists of fury? It's not realistic and will most likely fail when the situation does arise. It's one thing to expect adults or more matured students to engage the BG but training kids to do this is plain foolish. Yes, new tatics and strategies in case of another incident is a must. But they must be realistic ones. The book as a shield is just plain ridiculous and will only fuel the anti's arsenal.

And as for minimizing the numbers of entrances/exits, that's silly. The most dangerous threat in urban societies is still fire, and it's damned irresponsible to sacrifice any level of fire safety for anything.
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I did not mean barricade the doors so that no one could exit in case of emergency. I meant limit access to 1 or 2 doors for normal entry and exit with metal detectors and armed security.
 
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What if the BG targetted first graders? Are they supposed to gang up together and Karate chop the bad guy like little fists of fury? It's not realistic and will most likely fail when the situation does arise.
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Let me answer a question with a question:

Are they suppsed to line up against the black-board or allow themselves to be executed, bound, abudcted or all three? That's quite realistic and you can expect that plan to succeed.

But why would you want it to succeed? Sure, kids might not run fast or hit hard, but god damnit it beats lieing down. And for the record in my self-defence class there were little kids from elementary school, and they were taught practical things. Show me one normal man who is effective after you grab his balls, twist and squeeze.

And long before going there my mother made it perfectly crystal clear that you DON'T comply with adults trying to do you harm, you kick scream bite and run. She wasn't an 'official' though, it was just comon sense motherly advice by someone who put their kids' well-being above ALL ELSE.

I want to be polite and respect other people's opinions and beliefs, but what the *** is wrong with people that they'd advise kids to lie down and die or be abducted? Seriously that's just messed up, if people don't value kids more than that then for God's sake don't have them.
 
they would do better to install kevlar doors and heavy locks.
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This is the kind of ridiculous crap that ends up costing taxpayers millions of dollars and does absolutely no good.

I do a lot of business in schools. It's a BIG hassle to try to get into nearly any school anymore. In fact, I'm changing my business so I don't have to go into schools. Too much problem.

Schools defend against someone that's an outsider. Typically, shootings are from someone that's an insider.
 
Armed security personel; the number of which determined by campus size, number of students, and location of the school (high crime area?)

Even based on my own criteria I doubt anyone would have put an armed guard in that one room Amish schoolhouse...
 
My first impression was to quote the infamous rabbit.....what a maroon. However from the other perspective any reaction that is a proactive attempt at defense is better than simply cowering in a corner praying to be lucky.

I recall that briefcases armored with kevlar are available for people to carry and use as ballistic shields. Same concept really. I agree its a half assed solution but right now it's ahead of the typical socialist mentality of stick our heads in the sand and ban more guns.
 
For years now the prevailing philosophy in the classroom has been to drain the students of any remnant of "barbarism," especially anything that might be associated with--egads!--masculine behavior. The entire cast of education today has been feminized. It is going to take quite a sea-change to turn that around.

We are more likely to see Dragonskin school uniforms than re-honoring spirited self-defense, much less outright aggression.
 
Didn't they shoot at things alleged to stop bullets in Mythbusters? Suff like flasks, Zippos, wads of cash, and BOOKS. Anyone remember how the book one turned out?

Next on my school shopping list: Tactical Textbooks with Kevlar pages and ceramic plate hard covers.
 
The book thing, pretty ridiculous really. Like first graders are going to be able to defend themselves against an angry adult or older kid with weapons?? Anyone who would hurt young children have got to be warped. But, I believe the point is that children should be taught not to be sheep, try to recognize a dangerous situation, and do something to protect themselves. "Run Forrest Run!"
 
Don't get me wrong, I don't think this textbook idea is a problem solver but if the alternative is having nothing to obstruct the bullet or stop the shooter and no ability or place to run to then I think the textbook shield could be helpful. If it doesn't stop the bullet completely it does at least slows the bullet down. This may be enough to reduce some of the impact the bullet has when it hits. Again, this is only a "last resorts" king of thing. The first resort should be armed teachers.
 
If you read the gun forums, you would be surprised how many 'gun' folk are against CCW for teachers in school. It makes me puke. :barf:

Only if they get extensive training - yeah, like the zombie commando hunter on the Internet is such a ninja.

Allow teachers who have permits to carry - best and easiest solution.
 
We need to issue all school children those bullet deflecting bracelets that Wonder Woman (Lynda Carter - sigh!) used to wear!
 
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