Canes and "weak" image?
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Deltaboy1984
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It looks like a cheap drugstore cane but it has a heart of JB WELD AND STEEL!
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Deltaboy,
I would avoid adding metal to any walking cane, even one made out of metal for TWO really good reasons.
One is that if you ever have to go through a metal detector it will be likely be inspected. This could be a big problem in the airport if the security people find a length of rebar stashed in your cane. It will be really hard to explain, and they WILL find it because it will feel noticeably end heavy compaired to the hundreds of other drug store canes that they have put through the metal detector. People have been known to smuggle everything from dope to live pistol rounds in hollow canes and the inspectors know this.
The other reason is that if you ever do have to use it in a questionable self-defense case such as one with no witnesses, it will look really bad in court. A good prosecuting attorney will try to convince the jury that you were looking for trouble because you purposefully loaded your cane in anticipation of using it as a weapon.
When you carry a cane as a weapon the idea is to be as low key as possible as to avoid being noticed. Setting off the metal detector is a really good way to get youe cane noticed. This is why I prefer wood with a non-metalic ball handle.
I would avoid adding metal to any walking cane, even one made out of metal for TWO really good reasons.
One is that if you ever have to go through a metal detector it will be likely be inspected. This could be a big problem in the airport if the security people find a length of rebar stashed in your cane. It will be really hard to explain, and they WILL find it because it will feel noticeably end heavy compaired to the hundreds of other drug store canes that they have put through the metal detector. People have been known to smuggle everything from dope to live pistol rounds in hollow canes and the inspectors know this.
The other reason is that if you ever do have to use it in a questionable self-defense case such as one with no witnesses, it will look really bad in court. A good prosecuting attorney will try to convince the jury that you were looking for trouble because you purposefully loaded your cane in anticipation of using it as a weapon.
When you carry a cane as a weapon the idea is to be as low key as possible as to avoid being noticed. Setting off the metal detector is a really good way to get youe cane noticed. This is why I prefer wood with a non-metalic ball handle.
zxcvbob
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Just make sure you have a plausible story for when they X-ray it if you ever try to take it on an airplane.
ETA: Owen just beat me to it.
ETA: Owen just beat me to it.
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Carl Levitian
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"Deltaboy,
I would avoid adding metal to any walking cane, even one made out of metal for TWO really good reasons.
One is that if you ever have to go through a metal detector it will be likely be inspected. This could be a big problem in the airport if the security people find a length of rebar stashed in your cane. It will be really hard to explain, and they WILL find it because it will feel noticeably end heavy compaired to the hundreds of other drug store canes that they have put through the metal detector. People have been known to smuggle everything from dope to live pistol rounds in hollow canes and the inspectors know this.
The other reason is that if you ever do have to use it in a questionable self-defense case such as one with no witnesses, it will look really bad in court. A good prosecuting attorney will try to convince the jury that you were looking for trouble because you purposefully loaded your cane in anticipation of using it as a weapon.
When you carry a cane as a weapon the idea is to be as low key as possible as to avoid being noticed. Setting off the metal detector is a really good way to get youe cane noticed. This is why I prefer wood with a non-metalic ball handle."
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Very true on all points.
A cane like described will not make it through security without you being busted for what the law calls a "prepared weapon". The one time I was in court, I got to skate because the judge ruled my hornbeam hiking staff was not a prepared weapon, therefor there was no premeditation in my actions that resulted in the death of a pit bull or the owner being injured.
Had my hiking stick been 'loaded', I don't think it would have been as easy for me to walk out of the court scot free.
With just a little bit of practice, an all wood stick/cane is such a good non- weapon weapon, that it is a shame to mess up the whole thing with such nonsense as loading it with metal. Just not needed. Not to mention that it will bring attention to you in a way you really don't want. Especially when traveling and you don't want to miss that flight.
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I would avoid adding metal to any walking cane, even one made out of metal for TWO really good reasons.
One is that if you ever have to go through a metal detector it will be likely be inspected. This could be a big problem in the airport if the security people find a length of rebar stashed in your cane. It will be really hard to explain, and they WILL find it because it will feel noticeably end heavy compaired to the hundreds of other drug store canes that they have put through the metal detector. People have been known to smuggle everything from dope to live pistol rounds in hollow canes and the inspectors know this.
The other reason is that if you ever do have to use it in a questionable self-defense case such as one with no witnesses, it will look really bad in court. A good prosecuting attorney will try to convince the jury that you were looking for trouble because you purposefully loaded your cane in anticipation of using it as a weapon.
When you carry a cane as a weapon the idea is to be as low key as possible as to avoid being noticed. Setting off the metal detector is a really good way to get youe cane noticed. This is why I prefer wood with a non-metalic ball handle."
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Very true on all points.
A cane like described will not make it through security without you being busted for what the law calls a "prepared weapon". The one time I was in court, I got to skate because the judge ruled my hornbeam hiking staff was not a prepared weapon, therefor there was no premeditation in my actions that resulted in the death of a pit bull or the owner being injured.
Had my hiking stick been 'loaded', I don't think it would have been as easy for me to walk out of the court scot free.
With just a little bit of practice, an all wood stick/cane is such a good non- weapon weapon, that it is a shame to mess up the whole thing with such nonsense as loading it with metal. Just not needed. Not to mention that it will bring attention to you in a way you really don't want. Especially when traveling and you don't want to miss that flight.
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I don’t want anyone to infer from the previous exchange that the weight of your cane is not important, sufficient weight is CRITICAL to the transfer of energy and is half of the momentum equation: (Mass X velocity = momentum).
My point is that there are better ways to achieve the necessary weight such as selecting a heavy material to begin with. Making such an obvious alteration to a store bought cane is just asking for trouble.
My point is that there are better ways to achieve the necessary weight such as selecting a heavy material to begin with. Making such an obvious alteration to a store bought cane is just asking for trouble.
Deltaboy1984
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I won't be getting trouble since I don't use it except a the House. It is too awful ugly to been seen outside. It was a fun project for the heck of it.
AStone
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Want to know what I'm looking at
as an alternative to a cane?
A Jo Staff. 48" of beauty and pain.
as an alternative to a cane?
A Jo Staff. 48" of beauty and pain.
Owen Sparks
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You can get away with using a purpose built weapon in your home with no problem, especially in a castle doctrin state.
Deltaboy1984
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Yep I can, but I carry pistol or have a rifle handy at the house. My Rino cane as I call it is heavy because I put a full length 3/8 rebar inside and packed 2 of the JB Weld Sticks into it to make it rock solid. But is has a brown plastic handle and is copper tone and screams Drug Store cane. I promise it will never leave the house. All my carry canes are oak, hickory or ash and nearly all came from the AG store except my maghomy saw cane.
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kBob
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Nemo,
Aren't those 155mms?
-kBob
Aren't those 155mms?
-kBob
Deltaboy1984
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I always like the 57 mm recoilless Rifle
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Now we are just getting silly.
The back blast and concusion inside would be most unpleasant.
Back on topic some of my new ones
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The back blast and concusion inside would be most unpleasant.
Back on topic some of my new ones
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gyvel
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Probably thinking of a 105. LOL
kBob
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Oh ya mean an M102, 105mm Howitzer?
Yaeh I likedthose, bit hard to carry though and they look at you when you try to take it in the court house.
Ran across the theme song for the old Bat Masterson western TV show last night.....wish I had that cane.....or even the undersized plastic copy I had as a kid.
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Yaeh I likedthose, bit hard to carry though and they look at you when you try to take it in the court house.
Ran across the theme song for the old Bat Masterson western TV show last night.....wish I had that cane.....or even the undersized plastic copy I had as a kid.
-kBob
Ok, let's get back to sticks and off of the heavy sweapons schtick.
Deltaboy,
Did you reinforce the cane the entire length?
If so, how did you get the rebar and JB Weld the entire length without voids?
If not, then how much of the cane did you reinforce? How does this not create a greater potential for breaking the aluminum cane at the less reinforced areas since not reinforcing it along the entire length would cause uneven loading on impact? Have you tried it on a target to find out if it would actually hold up in use?
Deltaboy,
Did you reinforce the cane the entire length?
If so, how did you get the rebar and JB Weld the entire length without voids?
If not, then how much of the cane did you reinforce? How does this not create a greater potential for breaking the aluminum cane at the less reinforced areas since not reinforcing it along the entire length would cause uneven loading on impact? Have you tried it on a target to find out if it would actually hold up in use?
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I gave a tree a moderate whack with my Dad's drugstore cane just fooling around and bent it. I don't think these things are suitable for impact use as they are built to be as light and cheap as possible. I would avoid using them for any other purpose than as a walking aid for the very elderly who can't handle anything heavier.
Deltaboy1984
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When you cut the shock cord in those foldable canes you start at the bottom and use a small dowel rod to pack the JB weld puddy around the full length 3/8 rebar. I have not tested it since it is my around the house cane. On this cane you had about 3/8's of an inch around once the rebar was inserted. Two tubes did the trick. It is solid all the way up to the handle.
zxcvbob
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Wouldnt it be easier to bend a crook handle in the end a 4 foot piece of rebar (probably 1/2 rather than 3/8), then cover it all with a black thermosetting plastic resin? Kind of like making Micarta. You wouldn't have a loaded stick, the load would *be* the stick.
Deltaboy1984
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Yep it would but I had my late MIL cane just setting around and a rainy day to pass in my little barn/shop.
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