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A .30/06 is overpower for MOST game animals

Still a .30/06 Springfield has MANY proven merits from by-gone days. My .243Winchester, with today's fabulous powders can hold its own against all comers within reason. A .300 WSM goes beyond reason, unless one relishes a SORE shoulder. One could shove a dead mule twixt shoulder and butt, but this cartridge is overkill that killed two of my best friends' shoulders. How ludicrous! a .30/06 is all that it can be, and that's saying a lot! cliffy
 
Think long term.

Any of the calibers suggested are good. And, if you save your brass from whichever one you choose, so it can some day be reloaded, you'll be saving money in the end. It may cost you $40 for a box of bullets now but when you do start reloading it'll probably save you $30 a box on brass. Just be sure you buy brass that can be reloaded.
 
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There is also a 270 wsm. I am actually looking into this cartrige myself. Some dont like it. I have talked to a few lifetime hunters in my area, and they all think it is one top notch round. Downside is the cost of ammo, avg. 40.00 a box
 
How much money do you want to spend for the rifle? You also have to consider a scope. Are you capable of making 600yd. shots? Most aren't!
 
how does .270 keep its energy at range though? ive heard it has some good ballistics. 6.5x55 sounds interesting too
 
how does .270 keep its energy at range though?

Very, VERY well. 6.5x55 does not fall within your parameters of cheap ammo. Probably .270 is the best choice for your situation/parameters overall, with .30-'06 a close 2nd.
 
I prefer the .30/06 for most everything. There is nothing it won't kill on this continent and its a great light african rifle too. The recoil is on the higher side for some people but it tends to be the heaviest recoil that most people can tolerate.

This is what I would get if I were in your position.
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Its the Savage 114, and I'd get it in .30/06. Savage rifles have excellent accuracy, perhaps the best accuracy you can get without spending a fortune, and it comes with the accutrigger.
 
6.5x55 does not fall within your parameters of cheap ammo

its actually about the same as 270 around here, just less ammo selection
 
I like both my .270 win and 7mm Rem Mag. The .270 does not have near the recoil and i have taken deer at 300 yards with it. The price difference is not that significant about two dollar a box for the blue box federal that my Reminton 700 likes.
 
ive been looking into a cz in 6.5x55, heard great things about them, alo looking at remington 700vls .308.
 
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I went through this same thing a couple years ago. Long range target shooting caught my attention. It just seems like there would be something extremely satisfying about accurately putting holes in paper at long ranges. I got bit hard... reloading, bolt actions, calibers, and accurizing. What I didn't want to do is put all this money into something that couldn't have dual purpose. I have no desire to shoot any animal past 200-300 yards, but I wanted target performance out to 600-800 yards without going crazy on wildcats. After all my searching and reading up on everything I could get my hands on, I got the caliber narrowed down after a few months. Here's what I came up with, and how I came up with them.

30-06, a classic, It can be loaded to just about any specification to perform at a wide level of scenarios. ammo is everywhere and cheap.

.270, great trajectory, low cost, great energy retention and good velocity

300WSM, awesome long range energy, awesome velocity, terrible price, recoil would be too much at a range all day.

25-06, flat shooting, low recoil, good velocity and energy, not so good on price and selection of ammo.

.308 This is the one for me. It is used in 1000 yard competition matches. I know several people who slay deer with it, ammo is everywhere, brass is everywhere, military surplus is everywhere, low recoil, great performance. It just makes sense.

Go here http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/ballistics/

Look up the calibers you're interested in, pick the same type of bullet for each, go middle of the road on bullet weight, and pay attention where the zero is on trajectory.

As far as rifles go (this was stage two of the frenzy), I found for the price and out-of-the-box accuracy you can't beat a Savage. I think I finally settled on a 12FVSS. http://www.savagearms.com/12fvss.htm It comes out of the box with a 26" heavy barrel, and an accutrigger. You can find them for around $500-$600. Everybody has their own brand, but everything I read pointed to a Savage
 
In the Navy, "A" school is training for a job. Like I'm an electronics technician so my "A" school was a year of electronics training. You go more specialized after that and get a "C" school, which normally covers a specific piece of gear within your job.
 
One thing I forgot to mention... The 30-06 can be loaded to mimick a .308 performance, All except trajectory I believe. You'll have to check that out. The 30-06 is the most versatile cartridge hands down. The .308 outperforms it at distance, but the 30-06 can take any game in North America.
 
One last thing I swear... Will this will be your first rifle to learn shooting techniques with? I don't ask to embarass you or call you out, but for your first rifle you need to keep a few things in mind. If you go out and buy the biggest, baddest new magnum out there, you will spend a lot of money on ammo trying to learn to shoot. Most likely the only thing you will learn is how to flinch. You do not want to develop a flinch. Hard to shake. With all this in mind, if this is your case, you might want to pick up a .22 first. They are great to learn, practice, and refresh with. I shoot my .22 for accuracy more than any other gun I own. I buy 500 rounds for $25 and shoot at 30 yards. You will learn breathing techniques, grip, stance, and trigger control. Practice cheap and close first.

If this isn't you, then nevermind, it could help someone else reading this thread.
 
I would think that a 308 gives you the best bang for the buck due to the availability of good surplus practice ammo along with reasonably priced factory ammo available in a multitude of bullet weights. Actually, I like the 260 Rem and 7mm/08 better for ballistics, but the big picture gives the 308 the edge.

NCsmitty
 
How would the .308 have better trajectory than the .30-06? The .308 is 13mm shorter and thus, has less powder capacity(12 grains H20 difference). That would make me believe it's trajectory would be slightly inferior to the .30-06.

So wouldn't more powder behind the same bullet give the .30-06 better long range performance? Maybe the long range performance would change if you used different bullet weights but they are commonly loaded with the same bullet weights.
 
All the cartridges mentioned are good ideas. But if you want to go really cheap, accurate, durable. Look at a mosin nagent. 90 bucks plus tax, spend a few dollars for a D&T for a scope mount, and you have a lot of money left over for a good scope, ammunition and gas to go shoot it.
I am not a Mosin honk by any means, but you specified 600 yards, mosin/7.62x54 will do it, kill a deer or moose at 200 yards, mosin will do it, you specified cheap, 7.62x54 is cheap.

Remember, you may spend a bunch of money on a good rifle, but you still have to spend a bunch of money on a good scope. If you can put up with the Mosin for a few years you can buy what you want and put your scope on the new rifle.
 
The .308 outperforms it at distance, but the 30-06 can take any game in North America.

It's generally accepted that the .30-06 can handle heavier bullets, and therefore has a slight advantage over the .308 at extreme range. It isn't as popular at 1000 yd competition as it used to be when it was the service rifle cartridge.

However, for your purposes, either will work just fine.
 
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