Okay guys i don't know what the deal is but its driving me crazy!! I use a lansky for all my pocket knives and from the coarse stone to the yellow ultra fine stone i can get them to take the hair right of my arm but let me cut a piece or rope, box, even a freaking apple or two and the edge isn't there anymore. Is it because they are cheap knives? Gerber paraframe mini, a couple Kershaw's from the Wal-Mart case. I buy cheap knives cause I've broken tips, lost them.