Can't seat half-empty mags in my AR

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Jay Kominek

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I went to go shoot this afternoon, and discovered that I couldn't get my mags (30rnd D&H w/magpul followers) to seat in my RRA AR when they had more than about 10 rounds in them. I'd had the rifle for thousands of rounds, and had this problem with all the mags I bothered to test (a half dozen), some of which are new, and others are older and have never had any problems. I've had the rifle apart for cleaning and showing someone the internal bits of it since I used it last (two weeks ago?), but I havn't changed any parts out.

I'm at a total loss here. Everything seems ok, though I've surely missed something. Where should I be looking?
 
i had problems with my D&H mags double feeding into my gun, I'm assuming its the mags and assuming its because they are brand new. are yours broken into by anychance? rack the bolt open and then give'er a try
 
Are the sides bulging out?
I didn't caliper the mags, but no.
are yours broken into by anychance? rack the bolt open and then give'er a try
Do you mean broken in? I was trying a variety; I have mags that are basically new, and others that have seen quite a bit of use. The problem is there with all of them.
Are you inserting the mags with a closed or open bolt?
Closed bolt. They don't have a problem on an open bolt. Inserting the mags on an open bolt, or into just the lower (upper removed) didn't have any problems. I guess that says the bolt is related to my problem, but I don't see what it could be doing.
 
It is generally pretty hard to seat a magazine with the bolt forward on the AR15. You need to give the mag a solid slap on the base to seat it. You might also adust your mag catch a notch or two if you continue to have difficulty.
 
It is generally pretty hard to seat a magazine with the bolt forward on the AR15. You need to give the mag a solid slap on the base to seat it.
I used to be able to seat full 30 round mags with just the solid slap; slightly downloaded mags went in without issue at all. Now I've got to have fewer than 11 rounds in them to be able to insert them at all. (I'm not pussyfooting around with these mags.)
 
Use half full mags.
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With the D&H mags fully loaded to 30 rounds, they will seat into the rifle with the bolt open? If the 30 round mag seats with the bolt open, will it cycle regularly?

With the mags loaded 11 or more rounds and inserted into the mag well, will they gradually come to a halt (insert the mag slowly, it gets harder and harder to insert until it stops) or does it hit something and stops (goes in easily then hits something abruptly stopping)?
 
re: Debugging Mag' Insert problems

For most 30rd AR mag's, you should be able to seat at least 28rds on a closed bolt.

I'd pull the mag's apart, clean them, and feel for a bur somewhere in the mag' body. Also, I'd check the magpul follower for some sort of imperfection.

Once re-assembled, I generally take a small screwdriver, and push down on the mag-pul (there is a little slot that's convenient with the right size slotted screwdriver). I push up and down 3-4 times...you should feel the follower "hit bottom", and it should come all the way up without any "hitch" in the middle.

I've had mag's that I had to file off a small bur (new mag's) as well as magpul followers that required a couple light passes with the file because of a little excess polymer in the wrong place.

Good luck!

CZ52'
 
Hmmm, let me make sure I understand the facts first:

You have an RRA AR15 that had no unusual problems seating fully-loaded 30rd D&H mags with Magpul followers with the bolt closed. You disassembled the rifle and now the mags do not seat with more than ten rounds in them?

Have you tried using the magazines in another AR15 or disassembling the mags to see if there are any obvious issues there?

Also, have you (or anyone else) adjusted the mag catch on the rifle?
 
You have an RRA AR15 that had no unusual problems seating fully-loaded 30rd D&H mags with Magpul followers with the bolt closed. You disassembled the rifle and now the mags do not seat with more than ten rounds in them?
Correct. Rifles don't just magically stop working while they're sitting in the cabinet, so I assume I've screwed something up at some point, I just don't know what, so I can't fix it.
Have you tried using the magazines in another AR15 or disassembling the mags to see if there are any obvious issues there?
I don't have another AR, but if I can't otherwise resolve this I'm going to go borrow one. I havn't disassembled the mags yet as it seemed unlikely they were the cause, when the problem persisted across multiple mags that have seen varying amounts of use. I suppose they could've all recently rusted, though?
Also, have you (or anyone else) adjusted the mag catch on the rifle?
I didn't fiddle with the mag catch until I had this problem. Changing the spring and the amount the release button is screwed onto the catch doesn't seem to be affecting things. (And if my girlfriend broke it, she isn't fessing up. :) )
If the 30 round mag seats with the bolt open, will it cycle regularly?
I didn't try firing it (the sun had set by the time I got to trying that), but I could rack the charging handle repeatedly, and rounds were stripped off the magazine, chambered, extracted and ejected properly.
With the mags loaded 11 or more rounds and inserted into the mag well, will they gradually come to a halt (insert the mag slowly, it gets harder and harder to insert until it stops) or does it hit something and stops (goes in easily then hits something abruptly stopping)?
Insertion is smooth, the mag gets in about as far as I expect it to, but it doesn't seem to catch.
 
That's a puzzler. I can't figure out how to reassemble a rifle so that magazines don't load under that condition. Have you checked the "catch" part of the mag catch where it locking into the mag? Is there maybe carbon/gunk build up on it that might make it more difficult to lock in with the bolt closed?

The only other thing I can think of is that there is some type of buildup on the bolt carrier that is forcing it lower than it would normally ride. Did you notice any popped primers when shooting? Those spent primers can cause some mystifying malfunctions once they get wedged into internal parts somewhere.
 
Hmm. 30 round mag. 10 rounds loaded, seats OK with bolt closed. 11 rounds loaded, does not seat with bolt closed.

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I had popped primers once and ended up with a small sliver of brass lodged in next to the bolt.
 
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