Can't we just have a fly at your own risk airline?

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A team at the Harvard School of Public Health could not find any studies showing whether the time-consuming process of X-raying carry-on luggage prevents hijackings or attacks.
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Isn't that the same "school" that consistently "proves" guns cause crime?

That said™, government programs virtually never accomplish their stated goals, but do provide pay checks for public trough feeders.
 
It's called General aviation.
You buy, rent or lease your own plane. Hire an instructor. Take weeks of classroom instruction before you ever fly. Fly for many hours under instruction before you solo and still may be many more hours before you can be licensed.

You better hurry though. I am sure the rules have changed and getting stricter at every turn.
 
OK, I'll play with a related question.

Who here on THR would fly on a commercial airline that allows concealed carry for all CCW permit holders?
 
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A CCW friendly airline? Where I don't have to check my sidearm as cargo and be herded like cattle onto a tiny regional jet?

Sign me up. :D
 
Who here on THR would fly on a commercial airline that allows CCW for all CCW holders?
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My sister in law is a stewardess, which means that I can get buddy passes and fly for free most of the time.

I would pay twice the regular retail price to fly on a commercial airline that allowed me to walk in wearing my CCW piece and I wouldn't care if they served drinks or even had bathrooms.
 
A firearm friendly airline would be cool, but not enough to make me willing to fly. I love flying, but generally prefer to drive. My last esperience flying was possibly enough to put me off of it for life. Apparently TSA employees find it amusing to yell at heavily pregnant women to move through the line faster while holding onto bags and removing shoes.

I still cannot figure out how it is possible to hold onto luggage while walking while removing ones footgear. It is utterly mystifying to me. The whole pregnancy thing was just another twist. I came dangerously close to throwing a punch (and subsequently getting arrested) at one particularly rude screener.
My husband was probably *really* resisting the urge to strangle a few people. Nah, firearm friendly wouldn't do it for me.

Being permitted to remain fully attired, including footwear and a jacket or sweater might come close. And this was before they banned liquids...
 
All I'll say is that I've really come to enjoy driving on vacation instead of flying. The ability to be armed is just one small advantage of driving. There's also the fact that there's no crowds of people, there's more legroom, my baggage doesn't get lost and the scenery is much more interesting up close than from 35,000 feet.
 
Pssh, no such thing as an accidental discharge. If you weren't smart enough to go before you left, drank too much on the flight, or can't hold it long enough, then you were negligent.

It's only an AD if you're incontinent.

Dope
 
I dunno about that one. I'm still trying to figure out how to get West out of Michigan without travelling through Wisconsin or Illinois.
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EASY you just go straight south until you get to Florida and as a bonus you get to see all the people that left MI before you........:D

Florida the most western of the southern states.
 
fly at your own risk

I saw the title of this thread and I thought it referred to the airline headquartered in my home state - Northwest :rolleyes: or as it is known here "Northworst".

I would definitely fly on a CCW friendly airline. Like many here, I have gotten more into driving as air travel becomes increasingly ridiculous. Driving is fun, you can carry tons of gear, you can carry expensive gear without worry about loss or damage, you can travel armed with the appropriate permit/s.

Even the coasts are not a big problem - you have to figure flying eats a day. From MN you can get to LA with 2 serious days of driving. I head to LA every February for two weeks and this year I plan on driving. I drove out in August and it has the extra benefit that I can take my Harley for fun! :)
 
Even though I don't CC, I'd feel safer going on a CC-friendly airline. I'd ask that the airline issue soft-point rounds though, since it'd be bad if it went though the skin of the plane
 
I'd ask that the airline issue soft-point rounds though, since it'd be bad if it went though the skin of the plane
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We're talking 30,000 feet, not outer space. Getting sucked out a hole ala Alien 4 is not physically possible, nor is it going to endanger the structual integrity of the plane.

I can't afford to fly general aviation/charter flights, but that'd be the only way to get me to fly ever again. I'm so sick of the Thousands Standing Around and their stupid, ineffective rules. Nope, not flying until I get treated as a responsible person.
 
A few months ago I caught part of an old episode of Perry Mason. Perry was on a plane and the guy behind him dropped his briefcase, and his gun fell out and slid towards Perry. He picked it up and said "here, you dropped this" and gave it back. :D

I think we just need to get rid of airline security all together. It doesn't stop anything. They are routinely tested and always fail, and there's always some story on the news about a guy accidently bringing his gun onboard, or smuggling a monkey in his hat, etc....

If someone really wanted to plan an attack and had a terrorist group behind them, it would be childs play.
 
"Can't we just have a fly at your own risk airline?"

I think NASA is about as close as you can get to that description.... Wouldn't get me on anything they send up on a dare. :eek:

As for a CCW airline... sure, sign me up. Provided they don't cost 3 times as much due to insurance.



J.C.
 
I would definitely fly on a CCW friendly airline. Like many here, I have gotten more into driving as air travel becomes increasingly ridiculous. Driving is fun, you can carry tons of gear, you can carry expensive gear without worry about loss or damage, you can travel armed with the appropriate permit/s.
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Bolded portion got me chuckling. Try driving 500-600 miles daily around people who think 40 tons of truck can stop on a dime without thought to themselves and their passengers as they cut in front of you.

The last time I flew was shortly after the 9/11 hoorah and the kneejerk reaction of the .gov to increase security. It was the last time I ever take my boots off when it wasn't someones house. Flying is for the birds.
 
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I remember an old All in the Family episode in which Archie Bunker suggested that the best way to stop hijackings was for the airline to pass out pistols when the passengers boarded the plane. He said no one would pull a gun if he knew everyone else was packing heat.

A friend was on a bus that was temporarily hijacked in New York back in the late 60's, probably an escaping felon situation. The hijacker was waving his gun around and a beat cop outside nailed him in the head through the closed window. Blood spattered my friend, he was that close.

As for gunplay inside an airliner though you aren't likely to get sucked out through a small hole a small hole can become a big hole in short order at 500+mph. Entire upper fuselages have been stripped back like a convertable top when the airflow caught a crack in the skin, and many WW2 airmen were sucked out of bombers that weren't even pressurized if tears up forward increased the pressure inside by directing airflow aft.

At minimum a blown window would result in people scrabbling for oxygen masks and a few people succumbing to embolisms.

I'd recommend revolvers with alternating loads in color coded chambers for specific situations.
A plastic bullet at close range can kill you deader than four o'clock, and the US Military has used them for target practice, so they can be accurate.

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In the seventies a company was making concealable parachutes that you could wear under a suit coat. They were as compact as concealable body armor. Not much good in the regular air disaster scenario, but if a plane broke up in mid air it would be useful.
If a plane I were on broke up in mid aid I'd be climbing an invisible ladder like Wily Coyote all the way to the ground. No more effective but a more dignified ending than flapping your arms like a bird.

Truth is though you can reduce your terminal velocity by spreading out your arms and legs, reduces your impact speeds by about sixty percent over the head down lawn dart landing position.
 
Roswell, I saw a documentary on a plane crash in South America, several years ago, where the plane broke up over the rain forest/jungle...

It seems the wind velocity was enough to strip the clothing off of every single person on the plane before they hit the ground. Not a single body was recovered wearing any clothing.

So I doubt having a parachute of any kind would do a person much good, even if they had some amount of forewarning and were prepared for the...de-planing?



J.C.
 
At minimum a blown window would result in people scrabbling for oxygen masks and a few people succumbing to embolisms.
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:confused: Exactly what kind of embolisms are you referring to please?

Truth is though you can reduce your terminal velocity by spreading out your arms and legs, reduces your impact speeds by about sixty percent over the head down lawn dart landing position
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It's been a long time since I jumped out of a perfectly good airplane so my memory may be rusty but as I recall terminal velocity in the position described above with arms and legs spread is still around 120 MPH. A few people have lived through such a landing but the percentage is extremely small.

From my limited understanding most modern commercial airliners have the equivalent of 1-2 square feet of openings in the pressure compartment. Adding a few bullet holes is not going to make much of a difference.

And to quote an instructor I've had (who used to train AirMarshalls) when asked about bullet holes in the fuselage "Plug the holes with the terrorist bodies" :D

NukemJim
 
I'd love to fly on an airline that had no screening and no questions, just walk in, show your ticket and take your seat.
 
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